Does the Pathwise Limit Imply the Multivariable Limit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between pathwise limits and multivariable limits for a two-variable function f(x,y) as it approaches the point (a,b). Participants explore whether the existence of limits along various paths implies the existence of the overall limit at that point, and they seek to understand the proof structure for this assertion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the limit of f(x,y) at (a,b) can be established if all path limits f(x,h(x)) converge to the same value.
  • Another participant expresses confidence in the statement's validity and outlines a potential proof strategy involving the epsilon-delta definition, suggesting that a global delta could be derived from the minimum of path-dependent deltas.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the meaning of delta being a functional, indicating a need for further understanding of how delta varies with different paths.
  • A later reply clarifies that the delta needed for the limit does depend on both epsilon and the specific path taken, reinforcing the idea that different paths may require different delta values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the pathwise limit implies the multivariable limit, as there are differing views on the proof and the implications of path dependence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of limits along paths and the implications for the overall limit, which remain unresolved. The dependence of delta on both epsilon and the path introduces additional complexity that is not fully addressed.

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Let's say a two-variable function f(x,y), consider the limit at (x,y)=(a,b).
If for any path y=h(x) approaching (a,b), the single variable functions f(x,h(x)) have the same limit, can I say that the limit of f(x,y) at (a,b) exist(using epsilon-delta definition),and how to prove?
Thanks.
 
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I am quite confident that the statement is true. You can probably even prove it. Let [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex].
Then you know that for any path y = h(x) there exists a [itex]\delta = \delta_\epsilon(h)[/itex] such that
[tex]|| (x, y) - (a, b) || < \delta \implies |f(x, h(x)) - L| < \epsilon,[/tex]
where L is the supposed limit of f(x, y) at (a, b). You want to show that there exists a "global" [itex]\delta_\epsilon[/itex] such that
[tex]|| (x, y) - (a, b) || < \delta \implies |f(x, y) - L| < \epsilon[/tex]
for any y. On a nice neighbourhood of (a, b) you can always find a path h from (x, y) to (a, b) and you have the corresponding delta(h). So you could think of something like taking some minimum (infimum) of all those delta(h)'s. The real "challenge" of the proof, would then be to show that this infimum is non-zero (i.e. you can really find a delta strictly > 0 to satisfy the definition).
 
\delta = \delta_\epsilon(h)
what does it mean? Functional?
 
I meant to say that the delta that you need will depend both on epsilon and on the path. I.e. different paths may need different delta's.
So strictly speaking, yes, it is a functional (for fixed epsilon, it assigns to any given path a number), but you don't really need to view it that way. It was just to prevent confusion with "the" delta you use in the multi-variable limit.
 
well, thanks a lot, I'll try
 

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