Does the Proof Verify that an Open Ball is a Neighborhood in Metric Spaces?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the verification of whether an open ball is a neighborhood in metric spaces, specifically within the context of the real numbers with the standard metric. Participants are examining definitions and properties related to neighborhoods and open sets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to prove that the interval (x - ε, x + ε) is a neighborhood for x by showing that for any α < ε, the distances from x to the endpoints are less than ε.
  • Another participant points out that while the interval is a neighborhood, it has not been established as an open set.
  • A later reply references a theorem from Rudin, suggesting that every neighborhood is an open set, but questions whether the initial proof aligns with this interpretation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the definition of an open set as containing only interior points and suggests that the original poster should demonstrate that neighborhoods fit this definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the proof is complete. There is disagreement regarding the interpretation of the definitions and the requirements for a set to be considered open.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of neighborhoods and open sets, as well as the implications of limit points in the context of the proof provided.

rjw5002
First of all, sorry if the notation is hard to read, I'm still getting used to this text entry.

Question:
Consider \Re with metric \rho (x,y) = |x-y|. Verify for all x \in \Re and for any \epsilon > 0, (x-\epsilon, x+\epsilon) is an open neighborhood for x.

Relevant Definitions:
Neighborhood/Ball of p is a set Nr(p) consisting of all q s.t. d(p,q)<r for some r>0.

Attempt at solution:

Take \alpha > 0, \alpha < \epsilon. Take \rho(x, x-\alpha) = |x-(x- \alpha )| = \alpha < \epsilon.
and
Take \rho(x, x+\alpha) = |x-(x+\alpha)| = \alpha < \epsilon.
Therefore, any positive \alpha < \epsilon is in N\epsilon(x).

So, I think that this proof is ok, but I also feel that it is missing something.
Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.
 
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You've shown that (x-\epsilon, x+\epsilon) is a "neighborhood" of radius \epsilon about x, but you haven't shown that it's open.
 
Ok, there is a theorem (2.19 in Rudin) that says: "Every neighborhood is an open set." I must be misinterpreting this theorem then?

(x - \epsilon) is a limit point of the set, but (x - \epsilon) \notin N\epsilon (x), and (x + \epsilon) is a limit point of the set, but (x + \epsilon) \notin N\epsilon (x). Therefore the set is open.

Does this complete the proof?
 
Sorry for misplacing this post, this belongs in Calculus and Beyond
 
Rudin defines an open set as one which contains only interior points -- that is, points which have neighborhoods contained within the set. Prove that neighborhoods are open, given this definition. (Rudin does it for you in the theorem you mentioned, but it would be helpful for you to reproduce it yourself.)

Does the logic you just provided show that the neighborhood fits this definition?
 

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