Does the Sequence Sn = {0 if n is even, -1 if n is odd} Converge?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the sequence Sn defined as Sn = 0 if n is even and Sn = -1 if n is odd. Participants explore the implications of subsequential limits and the conditions for convergence in sequences.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • One participant attempts a proof by contradiction regarding the convergence of the sequence, questioning the choice of limit and the implications of subsequential limits. Others discuss the nature of convergence and the relationship between a sequence and its subsequences.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of convergence and divergence, with some providing clarifications on definitions and implications. There is a recognition that the sequence has two distinct subsequential limits, leading to a deeper exploration of why this indicates divergence.

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Some participants express confusion about the definitions and implications of convergence, particularly regarding subsequences and their limits. The discussion includes references to epsilon-delta definitions and the conditions under which a sequence can be considered convergent.

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Homework Statement



Suppose Sn is a sequence defined by:

Sn = 0, if n is even
-1, if n is odd.

Show Sn does not converge

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The Attempt at a Solution


By contradiction:

Suppose there exists an x>0 s/t for all natural numbers N, there exists n>=N which implies |s-sn| >= x

I am trying to find an x but for some reason it doesn't ...
For example if I take x = 1, and let s = the limit of sn

N+1 and N+2 are > than N so

|sN+1 - s| < 1
|sN+2 - s| < 1

|sN+1 - sN+2| = 1
1 = |sN+1 - s + s - sN+2|
<= |sN+1 - s| + |s - sN+2|
< 1+1
< 2
which is true and not a contradiction! what am I doing wrong? :S
 
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Show that the sequence has two subsequential limit.
 
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ok... stupid question, but, why does this mean it diverges?
Because can a sequence not have more than 1 subsequence which converges? >_<
like i know it diverges but i just don't understand the proof...
 
A sequence can have more than one subsequence that converges but if the original sequence converges the subsequential limits have to be the same.

If a sequence have two subsequencial limits that are different it cannot converge. Consider the sequence
-1,1,-1,1...
You can find two subsequences with different limits and it is obvious that the sequence does not converge

It would help to think about the definition of a sequence converging. In other for a sequence to converge all points or the sequence aftet some n_0 must be very very close to each other.

In your case there are only two accumulation points which are the only candidates for the limit. Assuming that either 1 or 0 is the limit and picking epsilon to be 1/2 leads to contradiction since far out in the sequence you have a 1 or 0 somewhere.
 
Ohhh that makes a lot of sense (thanks for explaining it in english!), thank you so much! :D
 
In particular, "diverge" does not mean "goes to infinity". It simply means "does not converge". You can give an indirect proof that this series does not converge using the definition of "limit". Suppose the sequence conveges to some limit, "L". Then given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex], there must exist N such that if n> N, then [itex]|a_n- L|< \epsilon[/itex].

Since [itex]a_n[/itex] is always 0 or 1, take [itex]\epsilon[/itex] to be any positive number less than 1/2. Then if L< 1/2 itself, |1- L|> 1/2. If L> 1/2, then |0- L|> 1/2. If L= 1/2, both |1- L|= |1- 1/2| and |0- L|= |0- 1/2| are equal to 1/2 and so never less than [itex]\epsilon[/itex].
 

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