Does the Series \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \left( 1 - \sqrt[n]{n} \right) Converge?

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The discussion centers around the convergence of the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \left( 1 - \sqrt[n]{n} \right)\). Participants explore various approaches to analyze the series, including comparison tests, Cauchy's Condensation Test, and integral tests, while also discussing the behavior of the terms as \(n\) approaches infinity.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using comparison tests to analyze the series, indicating uncertainty in the approach.
  • Another participant proposes examining the limit of \(\sqrt[n]{n}\) as \(n\) approaches infinity to understand the behavior of the series.
  • Some participants note that \(1 - \sqrt[n]{n} \rightarrow 0\) as \(n \rightarrow \infty\), leading to confusion about the series' convergence.
  • A participant mentions Cauchy's Condensation Test, suggesting it might be applicable despite the need for positive and non-increasing terms.
  • Another participant introduces the integral test as a potential method, proposing to compare the series with an integral involving \(\sqrt[x]{x} - 1\).
  • There is a discussion about the difference between sequences and series, with a participant seeking clarification on bounding partial sums.
  • One participant suggests finding a function \(f(x)\) such that \(\sqrt[x]{x} - 1 >> f(x)\) to apply the comparison test.
  • Another participant notes that \(n^{1/n}-1\) is asymptotic to \(\log(n)/n\), indicating that analyzing the convergence of \(\sum \log(n)/n\) may be relevant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the convergence of the series or the best method to analyze it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriate tests and techniques to apply.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the limits and behavior of the terms involved, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed methods.

Sweet_GirL
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hello
I have this one:

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \left( 1 - \sqrt[n]{n} \right)


mmmmm am sure it will be tested by using one of the comparison tests
but am not getting it
any help?

this is not my homework, actually I finished my college 2 years ago.
 
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I would start by looking at the behavior of just \sqrt[n]{n} as n\to\infty. Use the techniques of logarithms to find \lim \sqrt[n]{n}. Once you see what \sqrt[n]{n} approaches, you should immediately be able to see how

<br /> \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \left( 1 - \sqrt[n]{n} \right) <br />

must behave. If you don't see it, just consider what (1-\sqrt[n]{n}) must approach, knowing the limit of \sqrt[n]{n}.
 
well,
1 - \sqrt[n]{n} \rightarrow 0 as n \rightarrow \infty

and this will make no sense.
 
Sweet_GirL said:
well,
1 - \sqrt[n]{n} \rightarrow 0 as n \rightarrow \infty

and this will make no sense.

You are quite right; in my zeal, I made a mistake in computing the limit of the n-th root of n and getting 0!
 
I might be wrong but try Cauchy's Condensation Test.
<br /> 1 - n^{\frac{1}{n}} = 2^k (1 - 2^{\frac{k}{2^k}})<br />

Which obviously fails the limit test...
 
It must be solved by the standart test.

Anyone ?
 
In order to use the CCT your terms need to be positive and non-increasing. This isn't a big deal since we can just negate the sum, and consider the sum starting from n=3.

As for using "standard" tests, what about the integral test? I've only thought as far as:

\int_3^\infty (\sqrt[x]{x}-1)\ dx \ge \int_3^\infty (\sqrt[x]{3}-1)\ dx = \int_3^\infty (3^{1/x}-1)\ dx
 
Theorem: A bounded monotonic sequence converges.
 
Gib Z said:
Theorem: A bounded monotonic sequence converges.

Yes, but a sequence is very different from a series. Unless you are referring to the partial sums; but this would require that you can bound the partial sums. Can you elaborate on how this is done?
 
  • #10
The n-th root of n is greater than the n-th root of 1.
 
  • #11
Still searching for a solution with standard tests ..
 
  • #12
Try finding a function f(x) such that \sqrt[x]{x} - 1 >> f(x) using l'Hôpital's rule, \sqrt[x]{x} - 1 > f(x) on [1, ∞), and \sum_{n=1}^\infty f(n) diverges. Then use the comparison test on your series and f(n).
 
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  • #13
I tried that
but its not easy to find that f
and also f must be positive
 
  • #14
n^{1/n}-1 is asymptotic to \log(n)/n, so you need to analyze the convergence of \sum\log(n)/n
 
  • #15
g_edgar said:
n^{1/n}-1 is asymptotic to \log(n)/n, so you need to analyze the convergence of \sum\log(n)/n

Ahh, this indeed will do it. Very clever.
 

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