Does the uncertainty principle mean that black hole has to become a big bang?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the implications of the uncertainty principle in relation to black holes and whether this leads to the idea that a black hole must eventually result in a big bang. It touches on theoretical concepts from general relativity and quantum theory, as well as the nature of mass and energy distribution in the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if mass is perfectly located, its momentum must be infinitely dispersed, potentially leading to a slow-motion big bang due to space and time contraction.
  • There is a recognition that current theories about black holes are unclear, with the singularity being a prediction of general relativity that contradicts quantum theory, indicating a lack of reconciliation between the two frameworks.
  • One participant questions the acceptance of the singularity principle, proposing that it may break down under certain conditions, such as when a supermassive black hole swallows an entire galaxy.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for the dispersion principle over the singularity principle, suggesting alternative views on mass transfer in black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of singularities and the implications of the uncertainty principle, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current theories regarding black holes, particularly the unresolved reconciliation between general relativity and quantum mechanics, as well as assumptions about mass distribution and the nature of singularities.

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If we've perfectly located all of that mass, doesn't its momentum have to be infinetly or maximally dispersed. It would be a slow motion big bang from our frame because of space and time contraction and we couldn't even see it, but it seems like the mass should disperse in some diffraction pattern.
 
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TCS said:
If we've perfectly located all of that mass, doesn't its momentum have to be infinetly or maximally dispersed. It would be a slow motion big bang from our frame because of space and time contraction and we couldn't even see it, but it seems like the mass should disperse in some diffraction pattern.
Current theory about what is going on inside a black hole is very fuzzy. The idea that all the mass is at one point is a prediction of general relativity, but it contradicts quantum theory. The two theories have not been reconciled for black holes.
 
mathman said:
Current theory about what is going on inside a black hole is very fuzzy. The idea that all the mass is at one point is a prediction of general relativity, but it contradicts quantum theory. The two theories have not been reconciled for black holes.


It makes me wonder if energy is distributed in the universe in a diffraction pattern.
 
Is the singularity principle still accepted?

If so, why is it so accepted? What if you have a super massive black hole that swallows 1 whole galaxy, where would the mass transfer? Wouldn't the singularity principle break down at a finite point?

I prefer the dispersion principle.
 

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