Does the Weierstrass M-Test work for all spaces?

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The discussion centers on the applicability of the Weierstrass M-Test in different contexts, particularly regarding the domains of functions. Participants explore whether the theorem holds when functions are defined on the natural numbers instead of the real numbers, and the implications for uniform convergence and interchanging limits and sums.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the Weierstrass M-Test can be applied when functions are defined on the natural numbers, suggesting that the proof does not seem to restrict the domain.
  • Another participant asserts that the codomain must be a complete metric space for pointwise convergence to make sense, while emphasizing that they are not changing the codomain.
  • Some participants propose that the Weierstrass M-Test works for any domain, provided the codomain is a Banach space.
  • There is a discussion about whether uniform convergence allows for the interchange of limits and sums, with a participant confirming that it does, but suggesting a proof may be necessary.
  • A participant provides context regarding their application of the Weierstrass M-Test in proving the bounded convergence theorem for the Lebesgue integral, detailing their mathematical setup and questioning its validity.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Weierstrass M-Test across different domains and codomains. There is no consensus on whether the theorem holds for functions defined on the natural numbers, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which the theorem can be applied.

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Participants mention the need for completeness in the codomain and the implications of uniform convergence, but these points are not fully resolved within the discussion. The mathematical validity of applying the Weierstrass M-Test in the context of the Lebesgue integral is also under consideration.

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The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weierstrass_M-test" states roughly that if you have an infinite series of bounded functions, and the sum of the bounds of all those functions is finite, then your infinite series is a uniformly convergent series.

My question is, can those functions, which are of course real- or complex- valued, be defined on any kind of space? Specifically, instead of the functions being defined on R or R^n, can they be defined on the natural numbers, so that instead of functions you have sequences? Would the theorem still hold in this case? My guess is that it would work, because I don't see anywhere in the proof where assumptions are made about the domain of the functions.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You in Advance.
 
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I think the codomain must be a complete metric space for the series to converge pointwise (otherwise the convergence wouldn't make sense).
 
Eynstone said:
I think the codomain must be a complete metric space for the series to converge pointwise (otherwise the convergence wouldn't make sense).
But I don't want to change the domain of the functions, not the codomain. They would still be real-valued, I just want them defined on the natural numbers rather than the real numbers. In other words, I want to talk about sequences, which are of course functions of natural numbers, instead of ordinary functions.
 
I should add that I'm not interested in the Weierstrauss M-test as such, I just want to use it in order to interchange a limit and an infinite sum.
 
The Weierstrass M-test works for any domain. It also works for any codomain, provided that the codomain is a Banach space.
 
micromass said:
The Weierstrass M-test works for any domain. It also works for any codomain, provided that the codomain is a Banach space.
Thank you, micromass. And does the theorem still hold that if you have a uniformly convergent sum, you can interchange the sum with a pointwise limit of functions, even if the domain of the functions are the natural numbers rather than the real numbers?
 
lugita15 said:
Thank you, micromass. And does the theorem still hold that if you have a uniformly convergent sum, you can interchange the sum with a pointwise limit of functions, even if the domain of the functions are the natural numbers rather than the real numbers?

Yes, uniform convergence always allows you to switch limits. You might still want to prove that though, it's not that difficult.
 
micromass said:
Yes, uniform convergence always allows you to switch limits. You might still want to prove that though, it's not that difficult.
OK, that's what I wanted. And yes, perhaps I will try proving that uniform convergence implies interchange.

I should also probably give the context where I'm dealing with this: proving the bounded convergence theorem for the Lebesgue integral. I am dealing with the expression [itex]lim_{k→\infty}\sum_{i}\int_{F_{i}} f_{k}[/itex] (where the [itex]F_{i}[/itex] are disjoint measurable sets and the [itex]f_{k}[/itex] are real-valued measurable functions defined on [itex]ℝ^{n}[/itex]). I have shown that [itex]\left|\int_{F_{i}} f_{k}\right| < M_{i}[/itex] and that [itex]\sum_{i}M_{i} < \infty[/itex]. So what I want to do is apply the Weierstrauss M-test and say that the infinite sum is uniformly convergent, and after that I want to interchange limits and get [itex]\sum_{i}lim_{k→\infty}\int_{F_{i}} f_{k}[/itex]. Is that mathematically valid?

(You can see why I was asking about the domain being the natural numbers, because my functions are [itex]\int_{F_{i}} f_{k}[/itex] and my variable is [itex]i[/itex].)
 

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