Analysis:Why does Weierstrass Aprox. Thm require compactness?

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The discussion centers on the Weierstrass Approximation Theorem and the necessity of compactness for the theorem's application. Participants explore the implications of compactness on the approximation of continuous functions by polynomials, particularly in relation to boundedness and the behavior of functions on various sets.

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  • One participant questions why the compactness of the set K is required for the Weierstrass Approximation Theorem, suggesting that on an unbounded set like R, a polynomial might converge while a function like sin(x) oscillates indefinitely.
  • Another participant asserts that continuous functions on compact sets are bounded, implying that unbounded continuous functions may not be approximated by polynomials.
  • A counter-example involving the function f(x) = 1/x + 1/(x-1) is presented, which has vertical asymptotes and cannot be uniformly approximated by polynomials on the open interval (0,1).
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the properties of polynomials that prevent them from approximating functions with vertical asymptotes, particularly on bounded open sets.
  • It is noted that while some functions, such as constant functions, can be approximated on (0,1), the general case does not extend to open sets due to the nature of polynomials and their inability to have vertical asymptotes.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Weierstrass Approximation Theorem to open sets, with some agreeing on the necessity of compactness while others provide counter-examples that challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific properties of polynomials that limit their approximation capabilities.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the definitions of compactness and boundedness, as well as the behavior of functions with vertical asymptotes. These aspects are not fully resolved within the conversation.

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The Weierstrass Approximation Theorem states "Let f be a continuous function on a compact set K in R. Therefore, f can be uniformly approximated by polynomials.

This profound statement was testing my logic earlier today. I was pondering why K must be compact. I figure if it is not bounded, say R itself, then p(sub n) would continue to converge to a value, while say some f=sinx was slowly oscillating about the x axis? (i.e. while p reaches its limit, f goes beyond it)

I was hoping someone could explain why it does not converge on say (0.1), a bounded and closed set. How do the functions act at these boundary points?

Thanks!
 
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The point is that continuous functions on compact sets are bounded. Unbounded continuous functions may not be so easy to approximate with polynomials.

On (0,1) you could have the function f(x) = 1/x + 1/(x-1). This function will have the vertical asymptotes x = 0 and x = 1, and no polynomial can uniformally approximate that to any degree. (0,1) is not a closed set however. If it were, as you say, closed and bounded, it would imply that it was compact.

Even bounded functions may not be approximated, your example sin(x) is such a function. The reason is simply that any non-constant polynomial will approach infinity as x gets large, hence no non-constant polynomial will uniformally approximate sin(x) to any degree.
 
Thanks but I was wondering about the detail of one of the points you made.
From the above:
"The function will have the vertical asymptotes x = 0 and x = 1, and no polynomial can uniformally approximate that to any degree."

Why exactly is this? Sorry if this is overly thorough, I just cannot see the argument. TO rephrase, what property of polynomials informs us that they may not aprox. a function on an open set (given that x is bounded).
 
Of course, some functions may be approximated, a trivial example being a constant function on (0,1). But in general, the theorem cannot extended to open sets. I brought a counter-example, and it relies on the simple fact that no polynomial can have vertical asymptotes. Note that this would be required, as (if I name my function f(x)) for any polynomial P(x), |P(x)-f(x)| being bounded on (0,1) would require that P(x) to approach infinity as x approaches 0.
 

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