Does Time Exist at Absolute Rest or Light Speed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of time in relation to objects at absolute rest and at the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of relative motion on the perception of time, questioning whether time exists at both extremes of motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that time is only relevant for objects with mass moving between absolute rest and the speed of light, questioning if time is "absent" at both extremes.
  • Another participant emphasizes that velocity is relative, noting that time is experienced uniformly by observers in the same frame of reference, and that only the speed of light is invariant across all observers.
  • A participant reflects on the idea that asking about absolute rest may be akin to inquiring about the beginning of time, suggesting a philosophical angle to the question.
  • Another participant counters that the concept of absolute rest is meaningful, asserting that while nothing can be absolutely at rest, the question itself holds significance.
  • A later reply acknowledges the irrelevance of the beginning of time in this context, reinforcing the understanding that all mass is in motion relative to some reference frame.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of absolute rest and its implications for time. While some agree on the relativity of motion and time, others maintain that the concept of absolute rest is still a meaningful inquiry.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on reference frames and the relativity of time, with some assumptions about the nature of motion and time remaining unresolved.

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I'm hoping someone is willing to help me with this question.

Time is well explained when observed at point between absolute rest and c. The faster an object travels through the dimension of space, the slower that object travels through the dimension of time. Fair enough.

Does this mean that the dimension of time only pops into existence when an objects that has mass moves at a rate somewhere between absolute rest and c? Is the dimension of time "absent" at both extremes (absolute rest and c)?
 
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You are forgetting that velocity is a relative concept. Something can only be at rest relative to something else, or moving at velocity v with respect to something else. Your statement:
The faster an object travels through the dimension of space, the slower that object travels through the dimension of time.
Applies with repsect to an observer in a different frame of reference. However, an observer in the same frame as the object obviously experiences time to move at the same rate. The only velocity that is truly irrespective of observers is c, since it is measured the same for all of them.

I think this should clear up whatever questions you have about this.
 
wow, that was fast - and thank you. So everything that has mass is in motion and experiences time. Differences in time and speed are relative to the frame from which they are being observed. So is asking about absolute rest sort of like asking about the beginning of time? Or like asking what’s north of the north pole again ;)
 
Well asking about an object which is absolutely at rest is actually a meaningful question with a meaningful answer. Simply put, nothing can be absolutely at rest because there always exists a reference frame such that this object is in motion.

I'm not sure where you're going with the beginning of time bit, but it seems a little irrelevant to the discussion here.
 
You’re right of course. The beginning of time comment isn’t relevant. What I meant to say is that there’s no point in me wondering about perspective from reference frame of absolute rest because, as you helped me understand, everything with mass is in motion from at least one other reference frame. As an amateur, I was trying to imagine how time and space might be perceived from an object that was in a true state of absolute rest. You’ve helped me understand why there's no such thing.
 

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