What is Absolute Time and Space?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of absolute time and absolute space as proposed by Newton, exploring their definitions and implications within the framework of Newtonian mechanics. Participants examine the philosophical underpinnings of these concepts and their relation to modern theories of relativity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes absolute time as a concept that flows uniformly and independently of external factors, contrasting it with relative time, which is perceived through motion.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of absolute time and space, expressing skepticism about their meaningfulness.
  • A participant identifies that much of the initial post is a translation from Newton's Principia, highlighting that Newton argued for absolute time and space despite their undetectable nature.
  • Some participants clarify that the discussion pertains solely to Newtonian mechanics, asserting that it does not relate to Special or General Relativity.
  • There is a suggestion that the original text may have been an attempt to defend the notion of absolute space and time in the context of relativity, though this is met with skepticism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the relevance and interpretation of absolute time and space, with some asserting its historical significance while others question its applicability to modern physics. The discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions and implications of absolute time and space are dependent on philosophical interpretations and may not align with contemporary physics, particularly relativity.

Rishabh Narula
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i understand english fairly well but this paragraph goes right over my head.i can't associate it or understand what exactly the author is trying to say can someone explain it in layman simple language.i do realize its got something to do with relativity but im just a beginner student as of now so please explain simply.thanka
In physics, the concept of absolute time and absolute space are hypothetical concepts closely tied to the thought of Newton. Absolute, true and mathematical time of itself, and from its own nature flows equally without regard to anything external. There is another term duration measures relative, apparent and common time, is same sensible and external measure of duration by means of motion which is commonly used instead of true time. Using this defination, time runs at the same rate for all observers in the universe and different measures of absolute time can be scaled by multiplying by a constant. Thus, according to Newton, ‘Absolute space, in its own nature, without regard to anything, external, remains always similar and imovable’. Relative space is some movable dimension or measure of the absolute spaces; which our senses determine by its position to bodies. Absolute motion is the translation of a body from one absolute place into another, and relative motion, the translation from one relative place into another. These notions imply that absolute space and time do not depend upon physical events, but are a backdrop or stage setting within which physical phenomenon occurs. Thus, every object has an absolute state of motion relative to absolute space, so that an object must be either in a state of absolute rest or moving at some absolute speed.
 
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I'm not convinced it means anything at all. Where are you quoting from?
 
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Most of the paragraph is a translation of part of a scholium from Newton’s Principia. This scholium explains the philosophic reasons Newton insisted on absolute time and space even though demonstrating that they are in principle undetectable.
 
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Rishabh Narula said:
Summary:: .i do realize its got something to do with relativity but ...
Not anything to do with Special Relativity, nor General Relativity, if that is what you mean.
This is only about Newtonian mechanics, with its consideration of absolute time and absolute space.
 
PAllen said:
Most of the paragraph is a translation of part of a scholium from Newton’s Principia. This scholium explains the philosophic reasons Newton insisted on absolute time and space even though demonstrating that they are in principle undetectable.
Full text of Newton is here. The text in the OP seems to me to have taken a few sentences from Newton's valiant defence of absolute space against the force of his own arguments, pasted them together with some original text, and created a mess. I suspect it's attempting to set up a similar defence of undetectable absolute space and time in relativity.
 
Rishabh Narula said:
i do realize its got something to do with relativity

No, it doesn't. It is, as others have already pointed out, from Newton's Principia.

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