Does Trying to Help Sometimes Make Things Worse?

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A coffee shop encounter led to a series of unexpected events when a man dashed out to avoid a parking ticket, prompting a customer to pay for his coffee as an act of kindness. However, the barista mistakenly charged the next customer, who was blind, leading to confusion and frustration. The initial customer ended up feeling awkward and poorer by $3.25, reflecting on the challenges of good deeds. The discussion then shifted to humorous anecdotes about food mishaps and the expectations of customers when vendors make mistakes. Participants shared experiences of poor service and the importance of customer retention, with some expressing disdain for Starbucks coffee. The thread concluded with light-hearted banter about good deeds and personal stories from the Navy, emphasizing the unpredictability of kindness and the humorous side of everyday mishaps.
  • #31
BobG said:
Actually, I asked the meter man... ...Well, at least I tried to get him off. Win some, lose some, I guess. :smile: "
You, sir, are truly a ******* of the highest order, and my poofy hat is off to you. :biggrin:
 
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  • #32
Moonbear said:
the Starbucks in the hospital
What the hell is with those places, anyhow? We made the mistake of letting one into the country (well, it must have been a breeding pair; they reproduce like guppies), and now they're everywhere. I can't believe that there exists a place where you can walk up and order something with 17 names that costs $6 and they they make it without batting an eye, but you have to explain to them what 'black coffee' is.
 
  • #33
Danger said:
What the hell is with those places, anyhow? We made the mistake of letting one into the country (well, it must have been a breeding pair; they reproduce like guppies),
:smile:
I can't believe that there exists a place where you can walk up and order something with 17 names that costs $6 and they they make it without batting an eye, but you have to explain to them what 'black coffee' is.

But you wouldn't want black coffee from there. I think their regular coffee is pretty awful; always tastes burnt. If I just want a cup of regular coffee, I go to the deli which serves Seattle's which is still strong, but not as burnt tasting unless it really has been sitting around for hours getting burnt. :approve:
 
  • #34
Moonbear said:
But you wouldn't want black coffee from there. I think their regular coffee is pretty awful; always tastes burnt. If I just want a cup of regular coffee, I go to the deli which serves Seattle's which is still strong, but not as burnt tasting unless it really has been sitting around for hours getting burnt. :approve:
well, I'm glad somebody finally said something. It's not just me, then.

Starbuck's coffee is just disgusting. I don't even like their sweet foo-foo drinks. We have a much better place on campus called Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf.
 
  • #35
Moonbear said:
She won't live it down? It's your dad who bit the beetle in half.

Yes, and he reminds her of that fact constantly.

I strained my brain trying to think of a good deed that I was punished with no success. I can think of a mischevious deed that I was caught in that went unpunished though. It's one of my personal favorites.

I was in the Navy and we were on a 6 month cruise in the Mediterranean. When we were underway that amount of time they would often keep us busy with ship cleanliness, painting, waxing the floors, retiling, planned maintenance, all that good stuff. I was in the aircraft maintenance department which was fairly small on that ship because it was an amphibious carrier which transports Marine aircraft and they have their own technicians for these cruises. So my department had less spaces to maintain and we usually finished before many of the other departments.

One of the departments that was notorious for being overworked was engineering. They were like moles that lived in the dark, hot places of the ship and you would see them occassionally in the mess hall with their greasy coveralls and a sweaty smell and messy hair. It's about the only time I would see them because they worked twelve hour days and typically stood a 6 hour watch on top of that. Because of all the work they had to do they were always the last to finish the less important cosmetic upkeep projects.

My department was volunteered to help the engineering department paint some of their spaces. (It is unbelievable how much painting I did in the Navy. I was assigned to the hazardous materials department later and thought "Hey, I'm in charge of the paint now.") We weren't too pleased to be doing work for another department because it cut into our minesweeper games :smile: so I and another shipmate decided to have a little fun with the engineers. We put paint underneath one of the ladder rungs and as the engineers came up and down they would get paint on their hands and we would laugh at them. It was more enjoyable when they got really upset but nobody was getting hurt or anything.

Then suddenly I see the ships captain at the top of the ladderwell and behind him is the admiral for the fleet group. They were both dressed in their dress blue officer uniforms and were taking a tour of the engineering spaces. I immediately called "Attention on deck!" and stood at attention. I happened to be painting a wall near the cieling and was standing on the ladder right by the paint. I pressed against the ladder rung hoping they would pass me and not get paint on them. Unfortunately the ladders on ships are very narrow and the captain told me in no uncertain terms "Get off the ladder." He was well known as a disciplinarian and a generally unpleasant person among the majority of the crew. I got off the ladder.

The captain came down just fine. The admiral came down and he didn't just get paint on his hand. He had a line of white paint on his dress blues that was about 6 inches long. The captain glared at me. It seems silly but I was actually very afraid. It's not like I would be fired and would have to look for another job. I was an indentured servant and I was responsible to the captain. The standard punishment for captains mast, of which we had a few every week, was something like 45 restriction to the ship, 45 days extra duty (they mustered about 6 times a day in different uniforms), reduction in rank (and thus overall pay and respect), and reduction in pay for 90 days (on top of the reduction in rank). So I was afraid. Not only could I face this punishment but I would lose the respect of the superiors in my department. I would be assigned to every unwanted duty, the more disgusting the better. They would sometimes ridicule us while we were in their presence and we had no right to defend ourselves. I was typically spared this cruel punishment, but I could imagine myself being subjected to it. (I was ignored for the most part because I was quiet and did what I was told. I learned to be stealthy and pass without announcing my prescence, like a ninja.)

Thankfully the admiral smiled and kind of laughed. He just said "Don't worry about it." And signaled to the captain to continue on. Needless to say, that was the last time I put paint under the rail.

What was the question?
Huck MoM
 
  • #36
SOS2008 said:
Oh m'gosh, BobG and Hypatia's posts made me laugh so hard! :smile:

Because we were inconvenienced due to their mistake. Yes, it is bad karma for the vendor. I doubt I'll go back again...

Bad Karma on you too.

People always seem to expect returns. If you were really cool with it, you wouldn't expect a return.

Based on the above, you were angry at the time. It wasn't a "who cares" kind of situation for you.
 
  • #37
Math Is Hard said:
well, I'm glad somebody finally said something. It's not just me, then.

Starbuck's coffee is just disgusting. I don't even like their sweet foo-foo drinks. We have a much better place on campus called Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf.
That's so funny, I also hate Starbucks. I don't know anyone that likes them. Their coffee tastes like it's filtered through a dirty ashtray.
 
  • #38
Huck, our actions and consequences must have gotten tangled at some karmic intersection. I must have been punished for your bad deed while you were rewarded for my mitzvah!
 
  • #39
Math Is Hard said:
Huck, our actions and consequences must have gotten tangled at some karmic intersection. I must have been punished for your bad deed while you were rewarded for my mitzvah!

My apologies MIH. Is there some way I can make it up to you?
 
  • #40
Huckleberry said:
My apologies MIH. Is there some way I can make it up to you?
I think you should go out and do a good deed today. Meanwhile, I'll go play the lotto. :smile: We'll see what happens.
 
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  • #41
Evo said:
That's so funny, I also hate Starbucks. I don't know anyone that likes them. Their coffee tastes like it's filtered through a dirty ashtray.

I like their espresso drinks. I've had better elsewhere, but there aren't many other alternatives around here (there's one place near my house, but that's not near work when I need the caffeine boost, and they close at 3 pm). I used to like a chain called Coffee Beanery (I think there's one in one of the malls around here, but that's it), and now I'm trying to remember the other coffee shop I used to frequent when I lived in Ann Arbor...they seemed to have a coffee shop on every block. About the only thing I miss about living there. Then again, with the long, gray winters there, I needed coffee more frequently too. Their frozen drinks were way better than frapuccinos, and their regular coffee was very tasty. :approve:

In better news, I just saw a few days ago that they are building a Panera within walking distance of my house! :biggrin: :approve: Good bread AND coffee! I can't wait. There wasn't any expected date of opening on the sign yet...I guess it's still too soon, the building just sprouted up out of nowhere in the past week.
 
  • #42
Huckleberry said:
I was in the Navy and we were on a 6 month cruise in the Mediterranean.

Aha! I knew there must be a reason you were fitting in so well in the thread-killer thread! :biggrin: You must have been one of those sailors I was cavorting with while the thread was still just a wee lad. :-p
 
  • #43
Wha-da-heck happened to this thread while I was gone? :eek:

JasonRox said:
Bad Karma on you too.

People always seem to expect returns. If you were really cool with it, you wouldn't expect a return.

Based on the above, you were angry at the time. It wasn't a "who cares" kind of situation for you.
Actually, I probably won't go back to that place because their food is average but their prices a little high--we weren't angry. When I say my business philosophy, I mean if I had a business I would have thrown in some wontons or something. Why? Because there are many other places with food as good, and it is easier to retain an existing customer than to find new customers. What's the cost of some wontons when compared to bad word of mouth? You are correct about the karma...speaking of which...

Math Is Hard said:
I think you should go out and do a good deed today. Meanwhile, I'll go play the lotto. :smile: We'll see what happens.
Ahhh, back to the original post, and what a great thought. It makes me think of that movie where the little boy comes up with the idea of spreading good deeds.
 
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  • #44
Math Is Hard said:
I think you should go out and do a good deed today. Meanwhile, I'll go play the lotto. :smile: We'll see what happens.

Hmm, good deeds are so hard to think of. Have any ideas, and can you wait till tomorrow to buy that lotto ticket? I don't know if I can do a good deed when I'm by myself.

Huck MoM
 
  • #45
Moonbear said:
Aha! I knew there must be a reason you were fitting in so well in the thread-killer thread! :biggrin: You must have been one of those sailors I was cavorting with while the thread was still just a wee lad. :-p

Yes, but I hung up my dog dish and my bell bottoms in 98. I wasn't much of a cavorter. More of a heavy sporadic drinker. It was a sad time really, but worth the life lesson. Made some really good friends. Saw a few places. Got a couple cool stories.

Huck MoM
 
  • #46
SOS2008 said:
Ahhh, back to the original post, and what a great thought. It makes me think of that movie where the little boy comes up with the idea of spreading good deeds.

That was "Pay it Forward" staring Haley Joel Osmond

Huck
 
  • #47
Evo said:
That's so funny, I also hate Starbucks. I don't know anyone that likes them. Their coffee tastes like it's filtered through a dirty ashtray.
I'm with you guys on that one. When I finally did get a plain black coffee, it was horrid.

JasonRox said:
Bad Karma on you too.
As in, "I'm sorry that my Karma ran over your dogma"? :rolleyes:
 
  • #48
Huckleberry said:
That was "Pay it Forward" staring Haley Joel Osmond

Huck
Thanks Huck.

Addictions are so expensive...I find I can purchase gourmet coffee, and with very little effort start it to brew when I first get up. I can enjoy it as I'm getting ready, and can pour the rest into a to-go cup if I still have some left as I'm walking out the door. The beauty of it is, it not only tastes much better, it's doesn't cost me $3.25 for one cup--almost $100/month for one cup each day. I've heard these people complain about how they can't seem to get ahead financially (I hope I'm not offending anyone, as usual).
 
  • #49
SOS2008 said:
Addictions are so expensive...I find I can purchase gourmet coffee, and with very little effort start it to brew when I first get up. I can enjoy it as I'm getting ready, and can pour the rest into a to-go cup if I still have some left as I'm walking out the door. The beauty of it is, it not only tastes much better, it's doesn't cost me $3.25 for one cup--almost $100/month for one cup each day. I've heard these people complain about how they can't seem to get ahead financially (I hope I'm not offending anyone, as usual).

LOL! No offense here. I know how much I waste on buying coffee, but since I have no life anyway, it's not like I was going to use that money for anything else. Some people go out to dinner, others buy gadgets, I buy coffee. :rolleyes:
 
  • #50
Moonbear said:
I used to like a chain called Coffee Beanery
We have one up here called 'The Second Cup'. It's like a kiosk version of a Starbucks, but lots better coffee. (The real stuff, I mean. With the exception of taking a sip out of the wee girl's caramel soy thing once, I've never tried any of the weird ones.) There aren't any seats or anything, but it's always set up in the food court of a mall. They sell pots and cups and stuff too. Here, the big bookstore chain includes Starbucks so you can read while you're having your coffee (and you don't have to buy the book, because it's inside the checkout area).
 
  • #51
My very favorite coffee place is actually part of a church. It used to be a somewhat famous restaurant in L.A. where a lot of movies were filmed but they went out of business and sold it to a non-denominational (Christian) church. They operate the front part as a coffee shop during the week but close it for church services and activities on the weekend.

I drive by it in the mornings and usually grab a latte or some fruit juice there. The people are really nice and easy-going. I met the youth minister there the other day and I asked him about the church and what they believed and he said "well, you know.. we're like most other churches, we worship the Lord, and we study and follow the Bible .. other than that - we're just waiting for the spaceship to come get us."
:smile:
 
  • #52
Math Is Hard said:
My very favorite coffee place is actually part of a church. It used to be a somewhat famous restaurant in L.A. where a lot of movies were filmed but they went out of business and sold it to a non-denominational (Christian) church. They operate the front part as a coffee shop during the week but close it for church services and activities on the weekend.

I drive by it in the mornings and usually grab a latte or some fruit juice there. The people are really nice and easy-going. I met the youth minister there the other day and I asked him about the church and what they believed and he said "well, you know.. we're like most other churches, we worship the Lord, and we study and follow the Bible .. other than that - we're just waiting for the spaceship to come get us."
:smile:

Only in L.A. :smile: Though, hmm...a church that sells coffee. That sure would make those morning services more tolerable. :biggrin:
 
  • #53
Moonbear said:
Only in L.A. :smile: Though, hmm...a church that sells coffee. That sure would make those morning services more tolerable. :biggrin:
Not as much open bar would, but well - I can see where there might be a small problem with that. :biggrin:
 
  • #54
Math Is Hard said:
Not as much open bar would, but well - I can see where there might be a small problem with that. :biggrin:

Yeah, and they make you wait all the way to the end to get that gulp of communion wine. :rolleyes: What do you mean you're supposed to just sip?[/size]
 
  • #55
OCPD and issues with authority

Huckleberry said:
the captain told me in no uncertain terms "Get off the ladder." He was well known as a disciplinarian and a generally unpleasant person among the majority of the crew. [...] The admiral came down and he didn't just get paint on his hand. He had a line of white paint on his dress blues that was about 6 inches long. The captain glared at me. [...] They would sometimes ridicule us while we were in their presence and we had no right to defend ourselves. [...] Thankfully the admiral smiled and kind of laughed. He just said "Don't worry about it." And signaled to the captain to continue on. Needless to say, that was the last time I put paint under the rail.
http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/ocpd.htm


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individuals with OCPD [...] relate to others in terms of rank or status, with an authoritarian rather than equalitarian style. Accordingly, they are deferential, ingratiating, and obsequious with individuals of greater rank, power, or position. People with OCPD will go out of their way to impress those they define as in a superior status. They are quite anxious if they are unsure of their position with these individuals. On the other hand, people with OCPD are autocratic and condemnatory with subordinates. They often behave in a pompous and self-righteous manner. They are haughty and deprecatory but cloak their actions behind regulations and legalities. They justify their aggressive approach by referring to rules or to authorities higher than themselves.

[...]

Issues With Authority

Individuals with OCPD are extraordinarily careful to pay proper respect to those in authority. Their conduct is beyond reproach. By allying themselves with those in power, individuals with OCPD gain considerable strength and authority for themselves. They obtain the protection and prestige of those with greater status and power. They also absolve themselves from blame if they associate their actions with the views of external authorities. By submerging their individuality, they lose personal identity but evade the potential negative impact of taking a stand of their own (Millon, 1981, pp. 228-229). Once the dominant people or the authority figures in the environment of individuals with OCPD are identified, they will follow orders from these people -- often to absurd lengths (Richards, 1993, p. 255). Even if, as suggested by Pollak (Livesley, ed., 1995, p. 279), individuals with OCPD do resist authority through furtive, withholding behavior, their inclination to disown their own responsibility through attribution of decision-making authority to others and to follow people in power with obsequious conformity can make them dangerous to people in subordinate positions. With individuals who are lower in rank, people with OCPD are uncompromising and demanding. Power over others provides them with a sanctioned outlet to vent their hostility.
--
 
  • #56
Math Is Hard said:
I drive by it in the mornings and usually grab a latte or some fruit juice there. The people are really nice and easy-going. I met the youth minister there the other day and I asked him about the church and what they believed and he said "well, you know.. we're like most other churches, we worship the Lord, and we study and follow the Bible .. other than that - we're just waiting for the spaceship to come get us."
:smile:
That's funny. He sounds cool. :smile:

You know, even though it didn't work out, you can still feel good about what you tried to do. You can only control your own actions, not what happens around us or even the results of those actions. You're a good person MIH.
 
  • #57
hitssquad said:
http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/ocpd.htm


--
individuals with OCPD [...] relate to others in terms of rank or status, with an authoritarian rather than equalitarian style. Accordingly, they are deferential, ingratiating, and obsequious with individuals of greater rank, power, or position. People with OCPD will go out of their way to impress those they define as in a superior status. They are quite anxious if they are unsure of their position with these individuals. On the other hand, people with OCPD are autocratic and condemnatory with subordinates. They often behave in a pompous and self-righteous manner. They are haughty and deprecatory but cloak their actions behind regulations and legalities. They justify their aggressive approach by referring to rules or to authorities higher than themselves.

[...]

Issues With Authority

Individuals with OCPD are extraordinarily careful to pay proper respect to those in authority. Their conduct is beyond reproach. By allying themselves with those in power, individuals with OCPD gain considerable strength and authority for themselves. They obtain the protection and prestige of those with greater status and power. They also absolve themselves from blame if they associate their actions with the views of external authorities. By submerging their individuality, they lose personal identity but evade the potential negative impact of taking a stand of their own (Millon, 1981, pp. 228-229). Once the dominant people or the authority figures in the environment of individuals with OCPD are identified, they will follow orders from these people -- often to absurd lengths (Richards, 1993, p. 255). Even if, as suggested by Pollak (Livesley, ed., 1995, p. 279), individuals with OCPD do resist authority through furtive, withholding behavior, their inclination to disown their own responsibility through attribution of decision-making authority to others and to follow people in power with obsequious conformity can make them dangerous to people in subordinate positions. With individuals who are lower in rank, people with OCPD are uncompromising and demanding. Power over others provides them with a sanctioned outlet to vent their hostility.
--

Thanks Hitsquad! That was very informative and relative to my experience. I would say a high percentage of military officers are OCDP. That type of ingratiating/condemnatory attitude seemed very prevalent. I am probably biased though having been on the receiving end of that condemnatory behavior several times. I had to conform my own behavior to find any kind of peace.
Hmm, I wonder what effect 4 years of doing that would have on me. What I have noticed is that I have much less nationalism, and a greater skepticism of government and authority in general. I tend not to trust people in authority. What might I not have noticed?

Huck
 
  • #58
Huckleberry said:
Thanks Hitsquad! That was very informative and relative to my experience. I would say a high percentage of military officers are OCDP. That type of ingratiating/condemnatory attitude seemed very prevalent. I am probably biased though having been on the receiving end of that condemnatory behavior several times. I had to conform my own behavior to find any kind of peace.
Hmm, I wonder what effect 4 years of doing that would have on me. What I have noticed is that I have much less nationalism, and a greater skepticism of government and authority in general. I tend not to trust people in authority. What might I not have noticed?

Huck
I enjoyed that information too. When in college, I had a sign on my door that said: Question Authority (a shorter version of Ivan's signature--a new addition Ivan?). Then I went into the real world and quickly learned about "chain of command."
 
  • #59
SOS2008 said:
I enjoyed that information too. When in college, I had a sign on my door that said: Question Authority (a shorter version of Ivan's signature--a new addition Ivan?). Then I went into the real world and quickly learned about "chain of command."

"Question Authority" isn't that The Clash motto? Never was into punk music
Looked for it and found an interesting site for song lyrics.
http://www.lyricsondemand.com

Yeah, authority is a real double edged sword. It's great to be a teenager and rebel against everything. Then one day you got to pay your own bills and keep a roof over your head and food in your families stomachs. I'll probably always think it's a good idea to question authority. Just got to choose your battles. Keep em honest.

Huck
 
  • #60
Huckleberry said:
"Question Authority" isn't that The Clash motto? Never was into punk music
Looked for it and found an interesting site for song lyrics.
http://www.lyricsondemand.com

Yeah, authority is a real double edged sword. It's great to be a teenager and rebel against everything. Then one day you got to pay your own bills and keep a roof over your head and food in your families stomachs. I'll probably always think it's a good idea to question authority. Just got to choose your battles. Keep em honest.

Huck

Questioning authority always seems so fun...until you ARE the authority. :-p
 

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