Oh, I'm finally getting the crackpot thing

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "crackpot" theories in physics, particularly in relation to a social media account that shares various physics-related content. Participants explore the implications of misinformation in theoretical physics and the attitudes towards those who promote such ideas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reflects on their past misunderstanding of physics concepts, particularly regarding the Higgs boson, and expresses confusion over the responses received from a social media account claiming to provide physics information.
  • Another participant notes that the account appears to share a mix of credible and speculative content, suggesting that each post requires individual research to assess its validity.
  • Some participants argue that misinformation can be problematic, especially when presented as opinions, while acknowledging that not all content from the account is negative.
  • A participant suggests that those who are willing to learn from their mistakes should not be labeled as crackpots, indicating a distinction between temporary errors and persistent misinformation.
  • Reference is made to John Baez's crackpot index, which ranks various levels of crackpottery, with a specific mention of its applicability to certain theoretical frameworks in physics.

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Participants express a mix of views regarding the nature of misinformation in physics and the classification of individuals as crackpots. There is no clear consensus on how to address or categorize those who share incorrect information but are open to learning.

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Participants discuss the challenges of distinguishing between valid and invalid claims in theoretical physics, emphasizing the need for careful evaluation of sources and the potential for misunderstanding among those new to the field.

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I admit that I have made the crackpot mistake (well, I was in middle school, in my defense). I've never quite understood why you guys get so annoyed. Now I do.

I was scrolling across Instagram and I found this physics account, and I thought "oh, yay, physics!" Well, you can see for yourself: http://instagram.com/physicsoftheuniverse

I then politely told him that his information about the Higgs boson (and it turns out a lot of what he posts) was incorrect. The Higgs field does not interact with hadrons and quarks (a misconception I have fallen for, I admit). I was then given a speech about how there are no definite right or wrong answers in theoretical physics, and how the account posts all views/opinions (there's a nice theory about the Higgs boson somewhere in there). I then (politely) said that physics does have facts, and rarely opinions (or at least the "opinions" are backed up by experimental and/or mathematical evidence). I also directed him here to learn more but I don't think he's planning on doing that based on his response.

What confuses me, though is that he says he has a degree in physics. But it doesn't seem to me that someone with a physics degree would say what he said. Tell me if you think I'm wrong, but it seems a little odd to me.

So, long story short, I understand your issues about crackpots (although if they're willing to learn I still don't see the big deal).

I also thought you guys would enjoy looking at the material on that account.
 
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It looks like he's channelling physics posters from other folks. Some are pretty good and some are speculative. You'd have to research each one to know what's what.
 
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jedishrfu said:
It looks like he's channelling physics posters from other folks. Some are pretty good and some are speculative. You'd have to research each one to know what's what.
Yep. I don't say it was all bad, or even most. But there is some untrue information there, and he posts them as "opinions".

There were actually a few I really liked on there.
 
Isaac0427 said:
So, long story short, I understand your issues about crackpots (although if they're willing to learn I still don't see the big deal).
If they're "willing to learn", they're not crackpots -- just temporarily in error.

I also thought you guys would enjoy looking at the material on that account.
If there's too much misinformation in there, I suspect your link might get deleted soon.

Btw, you might enjoy John Baez's crackpot index if you haven't already seen it. (It's a guide for ranking various levels of crackpottery.)

I especially like John's last entry:
[URL='https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/author/john-baez/' said:
John Baez[/URL]]50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.
This seems applicable to much of string theory, SUSY, Multiverse, etc. :confused:
 
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