Does voltage affect the current in the Franck-Hertz experiment?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between voltage and current in the context of the Franck-Hertz experiment, exploring how varying voltage affects electron collisions and energy transfer in a mercury vapor environment. Participants examine the implications of different voltage settings on current measurements and the nature of elastic and inelastic collisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the current measured at 6V would be the same (X) if the voltage were set directly to 6V instead of increasing it gradually, suggesting that the absence of non-elastic collisions might lead to a higher current.
  • Another participant agrees that the current at any voltage can be considered independent of other voltage settings, indicating that results are typically taken at discrete values.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how energy loss occurs in non-elastic collisions if the voltage does not pass through the 4.9V threshold, questioning whether kinetic energy must first reach this threshold before affecting the current.
  • Another participant clarifies that the electric potential accelerates electrons and that the current is related to the kinetic energy of the electrons, emphasizing that a fixed amount of energy is lost during collisions with mercury atoms.
  • A later post inquires whether electrons with kinetic energy between the first and second thresholds would lose energy in collisions or if they need to reach the second threshold first.
  • One participant responds that once the potential reaches 4.9V, electrons gain enough kinetic energy to excite mercury atoms, and those with energy between the thresholds can still excite atoms while retaining some kinetic energy post-collision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the effects of voltage on current and the mechanics of electron collisions, with no consensus reached on certain aspects of the energy loss process.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the relationship between voltage settings and current outcomes, particularly concerning the thresholds for inelastic collisions and the conditions under which energy is lost.

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I have a question that might be very basic.
The Franck-Hertz experiment shows that as the voltage (KE of the electrons) increase, the current/energy of the electron increases up to 4.9v at which point it drops due to the non elastic collision. this happens at intervals of 4.9v. assume that the current at 6v was measured to be X
Assume there is no increase in voltage and the voltage was set at 6v from the get go. Would the current be the X (the same as increasing it slowly)? At 6v it would be an elastic collision, and since there wasn't any non elastic collision, i would suspect the energy would be higher than X
 
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ghaleb hamdan said:
Would the current be the X (the same as increasing it slowly)?
Yes. I don't know how the Franck-Hertz experiment was done originally, but you can take the result at any voltage to be independent of the result at any other voltage. These kind of experiments are often done not continuously, but performed for discrete values of the adjustable parameters.
 
Hello,

Thanks for the reply
If the energy is lost in a non elastic collision when the voltage is 4.9voltage, then i see how the energy at 6v would be reduced once the voltage is increases. But how will the energy be lost if we never pass through the 4.9v? is it cause the KE will have to increase and pass through the 4.9v equivalent energy prior to getting to the 6v?
 
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. The electric potential is there to accelerate the electrons. As you said so yourself in the OP, what is relevant here is the kinetic energy of the electrons. For a given value of the KE, you get a certain current, and the greater the KE, the greater the current.

What the Franck-Hertz experiment shows is that the electrons will lose only a fixed amount of energy when they collide with mercury atoms.
 
Sorry let me rephrase my question in a better manner
if the electrons are accelerated (maybe in a vacuum?) to a KE are between the first and second "threshold" (KE required for the electrons to lose energy in the collision with the mercury atoms) prior to allowing them to enter the mercury vapor environment, will they lose energy in the collision with the atoms or do they need to be firstly accelerated to the second threshold?
 
As soon as the potential reaches 4.9 V, the electrons gain sufficient KE to be able to excite a Hg atom when colliding with it. Between the first and second threshold, electrons have sufficient KE to excite the Hg and have KE left after the collision.
 
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That's exactly what I needed to know
Thanks!
 

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