Does ##x_\mu x^\mu## Equal ##(x_\mu)^2## in Einstein Notation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the notation in Einstein summation convention, specifically whether ##(x_\mu)^2## is equivalent to ##x_\mu x^\mu##. Participants explore the implications of using different notations and their validity in the context of differential geometry and tensor analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether ##(x_\mu)^2## is a valid expression in Einstein notation, suggesting it may not have a clear meaning without proper context.
  • Others argue that while ##(x_\mu)^2## is often used in physics papers, it is considered poor notation and can lead to confusion.
  • A participant mentions that the notation might be acceptable in certain contexts, such as in field theory, where similar expressions are used.
  • There is a reference to the potential for misunderstanding if one does not have a solid grasp of tensor notation and the distinction between covariant and contravariant indices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and clarity of the notation ##(x_\mu)^2##, with no consensus reached on whether it should be used or dismissed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the interpretation of the notation may depend on the context in which it is used, particularly in relation to tensor analysis and differential geometry.

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Hello! Does ##(x_\mu)^2## actually means ##x_\mu x^\mu## in Einstein notation?
 
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Drop the book using the ##x_{\mu}^2##.
 
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dextercioby said:
Drop the book using the ##x_{\mu}^2##.
So this means they are the same, but ##x_{\mu}^2## is bad notation?
 
@dextercioby is saying that ##(x_\mu)^2## is an illegal expression in differential geometry, analogous to asking what 1s + 1Hz is. It doesn't mean anything. Unless there's some context we're missing (for example Sean Carroll's lecture notes sstarts his discussion of EM with non-tensor all-lower index notation for Maxwell's equations before re-writing them in tensor form). Where did you see it?
 
dextercioby said:
Drop the book using the ##x_{\mu}^2##.
Although I agree that it is really a bastard notation using this for ##g_{\mu\nu}x^\mu x^\nu##, I would not categorically advice to drop such a book. You will find that many physics papers use a similar notation in the kinetic term for a field, i.e., ##(\partial_\mu\phi)^2##. There really is only one thing that can mean and still be meaningful. Of course, the understanding of this is predicated on first having learned it properly ... In Schwartz's QFT book, he places all indices down with the initial statement that it should be subtextual that one should be considered contravariant and the other covariant.
 

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