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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a real 2 x 2 matrix A with a double eigenvalue λ, specifically focusing on the initial value problem y' = Ay with the condition y(0) = v. Participants are tasked with showing that the solution can be expressed in a particular form involving the matrix exponential.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the method of direct substitution into the differential equation, questioning its effectiveness. There are discussions about the implications of the equation (A - λI)^2 = 0 and its verification using specific matrices. Some participants consider diagonalization as a potential approach, while others express uncertainty about the problem's setup and the correctness of the given hint.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the substitution method and the implications of the eigenvalue properties. Some have provided insights into the reasoning behind the equations, while others are still seeking clarity on the problem's details and the effectiveness of their approaches.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the problem statement and the hint provided, with participants verifying their understanding of the eigenvalue properties and the implications of the matrix structure. The repeated eigenvalue condition raises questions about the existence of independent eigenvectors, influencing the strategies being considered.

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Suppose that A is a real 2 x 2 matrix with one eigenvalue [tex]\lambda[/tex] of multiplicity two. Show that the solution to the initial value problem y' = Ay with y(0) = v is given by

y(t) = e^[tex]\lambda[/tex]t [v + t(A - [tex]\lambda[/tex]I)v]

Hint: Verify the result by direct substitution. Remember that (A - [tex]\lambda[/tex]I)^2 = 0I, so A(A - [tex]\lambda[/tex] I) = [tex]\lambda[/tex] (A - [tex]\lambda[/tex] I).

Obviously, y(0) = v, but I couldn't figure what else to do.
 
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Have you tried direct substitution? :-p
 
Hurkyl said:
Have you tried direct substitution? :-p

I don't see how it does any good.

y' = A [ e^[tex]\lambda[/tex]t [v + t(A - [tex]\lambda[/tex]I)v] ]

I can play with that, but it still leaves the y' on the other side.

Maybe A^2 y = A [ e^[tex]\lambda[/tex]t [v + t(A - [tex]\lambda[/tex]I)v] ]
 
Shackleford said:
I can play with that, but it still leaves the y' on the other side.
Why not substitute that y as well?
 
Hurkyl said:
Why not substitute that y as well?

Okay. Let's see. If I do that, then I think I can then bring the terms to the left and equate everything to the zero vector, right?!
 
Shackleford, can you check to make sure that you have given us the problem exactly as it was given to you? I worked on this for maybe a couple of hours last night, and didn't get very far.

In the hint it says to remember that (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)^2 = 0, and I wasn't able to convince myself why this is true. I came up with a 2x2 matrix that has repeated eigenvalues, and verified this equation using that matrix. If x is an eigenvector, then clearly (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)x = 0, so (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)^2*x is 0 as well.

If the technique is to just substitute the expession for y(t) into the differential equation, it should be more straightforward that it seems to be, so I'd like to make sure that we're working on the right problem.

Another strategy that I thought of was diagonalization, but with the repeated eigenvalue there's no guarantee that there are two independent eigenvectors, so that's probably a dead end.
 
Mark44 said:
Shackleford, can you check to make sure that you have given us the problem exactly as it was given to you? I worked on this for maybe a couple of hours last night, and didn't get very far.

In the hint it says to remember that (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)^2 = 0, and I wasn't able to convince myself why this is true. I came up with a 2x2 matrix that has repeated eigenvalues, and verified this equation using that matrix. If x is an eigenvector, then clearly (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)x = 0, so (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)^2*x is 0 as well.

If the technique is to just substitute the expession for y(t) into the differential equation, it should be more straightforward that it seems to be, so I'd like to make sure that we're working on the right problem.

Another strategy that I thought of was diagonalization, but with the repeated eigenvalue there's no guarantee that there are two independent eigenvectors, so that's probably a dead end.

Yes. I will when I get home from work.

Your reasoning for (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)^2 = 0 is mostly how the book explains it. However, the vector x is any vector in R2, if I remember correctly. It then goes on to explain how to find an additional eigenvector for the general solution.
 
It is correct.
 
OK, I think I have it.

Suppose y(t) = e[itex]\lambda[/itex]t(v + t(A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)v) is a solution of the differential equation y' = Ay, and that [itex]\lambda[/itex] is the eigenvalue of A as described in your problem statement.

From the diff. equation, we have y' - Ay = 0, which must be true for all t.

This implies that:
[tex]\lambda e^{\lambda t}[\bold{v} + t(A - \lambda I)\bold{v}] + e^{\lambda t}[(A - \lambda I)\bold{v}] - e^{\lambda t}[A\bold{v} + At(A - \lambda I)\bold{v}~=~\bold{0}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -e^{\lambda t}[(A - \lambda I)^2\bold{v}] - e^{\lambda t}[(A - \lambda I)\bold{v} -(A - \lambda I)\bold{v}]~=~\bold{0}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -e^{\lambda t}[(A - \lambda I)^2\bold{v}] ~=~\bold{0}[/tex]
The equation above has to be true for all t, so what can you conclude about
[tex](A - \lambda I)^2 \bold{v}?[/tex]

The hint is somewhat incomplete. I believe it should say:
Remember that [itex](A - \lambda I)^2\bold{v} = \bold{0}[/itex], so [itex]A(A - \lambda I)\bold{v} = \lambda (A - \lambda I)\bold{v}[/itex].

What does this say about [itex](A - \lambda I)\bold{v}[/itex] relative to the matrix A?

All of the above was laboriously transcribed into LaTeX from my notes, so it's possible I have typed something incorrect somewhere. I've checked it over and don't see anything wrong, but it's very easy to miss something when half of what I type is script.
 
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Mark44 said:
Shackleford, can you check to make sure that you have given us the problem exactly as it was given to you? I worked on this for maybe a couple of hours last night, and didn't get very far.

In the hint it says to remember that (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)^2 = 0, and I wasn't able to convince myself why this is true.
Of course it's true. A has [itex]\lambda[/itex] as a double eigenvalue so this is just saying that A satisfies its own characteristic equation.

I came up with a 2x2 matrix that has repeated eigenvalues, and verified this equation using that matrix. If x is an eigenvector, then clearly (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)x = 0, so (A - [itex]\lambda[/itex]I)^2*x is 0 as well.

If the technique is to just substitute the expession for y(t) into the differential equation, it should be more straightforward that it seems to be, so I'd like to make sure that we're working on the right problem.

Another strategy that I thought of was diagonalization, but with the repeated eigenvalue there's no guarantee that there are two independent eigenvectors, so that's probably a dead end.
 

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