Don't objects in free fall always experience one g?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of G-forces experienced by objects in free fall, particularly in the context of skydiving. Participants explore the definitions and implications of free fall, the effects of parachute deployment, and the differences in acceleration experienced during various phases of a skydive.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that objects in free fall experience practically zero G, which they argue is the definition of free fall.
  • Others propose that during parachute deployment, the skydiver experiences higher G-forces due to the rapid deceleration from the parachute opening.
  • A participant questions the relationship between G-forces and acceleration, seeking clarification on the definitions of 1 G and free fall.
  • There is a discussion about the acceleration experienced by a skydiver at different stages: <1 G in the aircraft, 0 G in free fall, ~4-5 G at parachute opening, and >1 G on landing.
  • Some participants reference external articles to support their claims about free fall and G-forces, noting that free fall can occur at terminal velocity where air drag balances gravitational acceleration.
  • Confusion arises regarding the interpretation of G-forces and how they relate to the acceleration experienced by objects on the ground versus those in free fall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of G-forces in free fall, with no consensus reached on whether objects in free fall always experience one G or zero G. The discussion remains unresolved as participants present competing interpretations and definitions.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of free fall and G-forces, which may vary among participants. The discussion includes references to external sources that may not be universally accepted or interpreted in the same way.

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I recently read an article about Joseph Kittinger which stated that in a skydive, he was subjected to a G force of 22 m/s^2. Disregarding fluid resistance, don't objects in free fall always experience one g?
 
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You can get a higher amount of g's when you open your chute. And 22 m/s² is barely over 2 g's.
 
Could you please explain why?
 
Because the chute is pulling you up.
 
mr.physics said:
I recently read an article about Joseph Kittinger which stated that in a skydive, he was subjected to a G force of 22 m/s^2. Disregarding fluid resistance, don't objects in free fall always experience one g?

No, objects in freefall experience practically zero g. That's kind-of the definition of freefall.

Can you link to or reference the article? Or cut and paste the line containing that statement, along with enough text to put it in context?
 
It must be referring to the acceleration experienced from the parachute at opening, as velocity decreases about 50 m/s.
 
Zero G in free fall. One G upwards at rest on Earths surface at sea level. For the skydiver, <1G in the aircraft, 0G in free fall, ~4-5G at parachute opening, >1G on landing, 1G on the ground.
 
Zero G in free fall.
Why?
 
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G-force is your acceleration relative to free fall. 0G is free fall is weightlessness.
 
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Neglecting drag of course, in the case of the skydiver.
 
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So an object experiencing a G force of 1 G is acclerating at 19.6 m/s^2?
 
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Isn't 1G 9.8 ms-2?
 
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Free Fall is just acceleration by gravity. However, the parachutist is also experiencing an acceleration by the opening of the parachute as mentioned (To slow down the speed of descent). If you add up the 2 accelerations (by vector addition) the acceleration is greater than the acceleration due to gravity.

And I think blkqi meant -1G experienced on when we are on the ground, so we have a net acceleration of 0.
 
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simpleton said:
And I think blkqi meant -1G experienced on when we are on the ground, so we have a net acceleration of 0.
No. What blkqi means is that if you measure acceleration using an accelerometer then you find that free-falling objects have 0 acceleration and an object at rest on the ground has an acceleration of g upwards. This is the acceleration that an object "feels".
 
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1G on the ground. You can think of g-force as the vector difference between the acceleration relative to the field and the acceleration experienced during free-fall, relative to the magnitude of free fall acceleration.

Thus in free-fall:
[tex]\frac{-9.8-(-9.8)}{|-9.8|}=0G[/tex]

And on the ground:
[tex]\frac{0-(-9.8)}{|-9.8|}=1G[/tex]
 
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According to the usage of this acticle, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_fall#Record_free_fall", quoted above, "free fall" is the following:

"Near sea level, an object in free fall in a vacuum will accelerate at approximately 9.81 m/s2, regardless of its mass."

and

"Record free fall

Joseph Kittinger starting his record-breaking skydive. According to the Guinness book of records, Eugene Andreev (USSR) holds the official FAI record for the longest free-fall parachute jump after falling for 80,380 ft (24,500 m) from an altitude of 83,523 ft (25,460 m) near the city of Saratov, Russia on November 1, 1962. Though later jumpers would ascend higher, Andreev's record was set without the use of a drogue chute during the jump."

They imply that Free Fall in air occurs throughout the fall, and includes terminal velocity, where air drag exerts a balancing upward acceleration of nearly 1g. I say nearly one g because the diver slightly decelerates as the air thickens.
 
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mr.physics said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_fall#Record_free_fall
paragraph 3


At sea level on Earth do objects not fall at approximately one g?

Paragraph 3 is talking about acceleration due to an object in rotation. The article,

"(he went into a flat spin at a rotational velocity of 120 rpm; the g-force at his extremities was calculated to be over 22 times that of gravity, setting another record)."

--nothing to do with the vertical acceleration.
 

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