Don't understand the choice of zero-potential level

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of choosing a zero-potential level in gravitational potential energy, particularly in the context of a box moving down an incline. Participants explore the implications of different coordinate systems on the definition of potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the zero potential level can be chosen arbitrarily, using the example of a box moving down an incline.
  • Another participant argues that setting the coordinate system with the origin at the top of the incline would make potential energy a function of both x and y, rather than just y, suggesting that potential is independent of the chosen coordinate system.
  • A later reply questions whether the origin should always be chosen as the zero potential point, to which it is suggested that while it is often easiest, it is not a necessity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of coordinate system choices for potential energy, indicating that there is no consensus on the necessity of choosing the origin as the zero potential point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of potential energy on the chosen coordinate system and the arbitrary nature of selecting a zero potential level, but does not resolve how to define potential energy in specific coordinate systems.

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Hi there, I textbook it said the zero potential level can be chosed arbitrarily. Let's take the gravity as example, if an box is moving from the top of a incline to the bottom without considering the friction, suppose the center of mass located in the geometric center of the box. Someone pick the horizontal level as the zero potential level. But if I setup my coordinate system with the origin attached to the top of the incline, x-axis along the incline and y-axis perpendicular to the incline, so every point the box moved to will have y=0, in this case, can I set everywhere on the surface of the incline (i.e. y=0) the gravity potential is ZERO? If no, how to find gravity potential in above-mentioned coordinate system?

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No, setting the coordinate system like that will just mean that you will make potential energy a function of both x and y instead of just y. Potential is independent of the chosen coordinate system.
 
Monocles said:
No, setting the coordinate system like that will just mean that you will make potential energy a function of both x and y instead of just y. Potential is independent of the chosen coordinate system.

Thanks. So after setting up the coordinate system, shall we always chose the origin as the zero potential point?
 
KFC said:
Thanks. So after setting up the coordinate system, shall we always chose the origin as the zero potential point?

It's usually easiest to do that, but it is not necessary.
 

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