Doppler Effect Wind: Frequency, Velocity, Wavelength

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler Effect in the context of sound waves, specifically examining how wind affects frequency, velocity, and wavelength when both the observer and the source are at rest.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of wind on the speed of sound and its relationship to frequency and wavelength. There is a debate about whether the speed of sound remains constant or changes due to wind, and how this affects the wavelength.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights regarding the interpretation of "speed of sound" in relation to ground measurements versus still air. There is an ongoing exploration of how to account for wind speed in calculations, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of speed in different contexts, and how wind influences these measurements. The original poster's textbook appears to present a different conclusion than the participants' reasoning.

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Homework Statement



An observer is in rest.A source of sound is in rest.A wind blows along the line joining the observer and the source.What all remain same in these:
a.frequency b.velocity of sound c.wavelength

Homework Equations



f prime=f(v+w-vo)/(v+w-vs)
Doppler effect

The Attempt at a Solution


frequency has to remain same since there is no relative motion.
v should remain same because wind cannot influence speed of sound.
wavelength has to obviously remain the same (from the above).
But my book says only frequency remains same.
Please explain.
 
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The confusion is over the meaning of "speed of sound" here.
The question means as measured relative to the ground, rather than speed in still air.
In this case the speed increases by an amount equal to the wind speed, and the wavelength is made proportionally larger.
f=speed / wavelength
both speed and wavelength increase. (Such that f stays the same.)
 
You:In this case the speed increases by an amount equal to the wind speed.


So speed of sound with respect to the ground is 400 m/s when wind velocity is 70 m/s?
Can we add velocity of sound and wind vectorially?
 
sachin123 said:
You:In this case the speed increases by an amount equal to the wind speed.


So speed of sound with respect to the ground is 400 m/s when wind velocity is 70 m/s?
Can we add velocity of sound and wind vectorially?

Yes if the speed was 330m/s in still air and we measure the speed in the same direction as the wind blows.
Yes, the velocities are added vectorially.
 

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