Doppler equation not making sense to me

  • Thread starter Thread starter PsychonautQQ
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Doppler
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect, specifically comparing scenarios where either the source of sound or the observer is moving towards each other. The original poster presents calculations for frequency changes based on different conditions, questioning the discrepancies in their results.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the final frequency of sound based on the movement of the source and the observer, raising questions about the differing outcomes. Some participants explore the implications of the medium through which sound travels, while others highlight the differences in behavior between sound and light in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions underlying the Doppler effect for sound, particularly the role of the medium. There is a productive exploration of the differences in scenarios involving moving sources versus moving observers, though no consensus has been reached on the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the speed of sound and the original frequency provided by the poster, as well as the distinction between sound and light regarding the necessity of a medium for propagation.

PsychonautQQ
Messages
781
Reaction score
10

Homework Statement


So let's say a source is moving towards an observer at a speed of .9c where c is the speed of sound. the original frequency is 1 Hz.

final frequency = (v(sound) / ((v(sound)-v(source))) * initial frequency
so the final frequency would increase by a factor of 10.

Now let's say that the observer was moving towards the source.

final frequency = (v(sound) + v(observer))/ (v(sound)))intial frequency
where in this case the final freuqnecy would only increase by a factor of 1.9Hz.

Why am I getting different answers? Why does it matter whether the source is moving towards the observer or the observer towards the source?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
PsychonautQQ said:
Why does it matter whether the source is moving towards the observer or the observer towards the source?
It's because something quite different is happening depending on whether the source or receiver is moving. From http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py105/Doppler.html:Moving receiver:

34a.GIF
Moving source:

34b.GIF
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
PsychonautQQ said:
Why am I getting different answers? Why does it matter whether the source is moving towards the observer or the observer towards the source?
The key is to think about the medium through which the wave is moving. For light, there is no medium, so in that case, you would get the same answer in either case. But sound does have a medium.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
Side note: The Doppler effect for light does not exhibit this different behavior depending on whether it's the source or receiver that is moving. You can't even say which one is moving, which one is stationary with light. Moving / stationary with respect to what?

You can say which one is moving, which one is stationary with sound. Sound needs a medium. The speed is measured with respect to the medium, the air in this case. Light doesn't need a medium. There is no luminiferous aether.

Edit: Bruce beat me to it.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
hehe, by the skin of my teeth.
 

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K