Music Mystery: 2(Vsound) for the 2nd Harmonic?

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving a guitar player moving towards a stationary observer and the resulting frequency shifts due to the Doppler effect. The fundamental frequency of a string fixed at both ends is calculated using the formula f = 2n/vL, resulting in 205.8 Hz. The second harmonic frequency is calculated as 411.5 Hz. Participants conclude that the claim of needing to move at 2(Vsound) is erroneous, as it would not allow the observer to hear the player approach, indicating a likely typo in the original problem statement.

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Homework Statement


A guitar player is plucking a strong of length 30cm. How fast must the player move towards or away from the stationary observer, in order for the observer to mistake the fundamental frequency for the second harmonic?

ANSWER: 2(Vsound) towards the observer

Homework Equations


Frequency for string fixed on both ends: f = 2n/vL
Doppler effect for source moving towards stationary observer (observer will hear higher frequency):
f" = vsound / vsound - Vsource

The Attempt at a Solution


f = 2n/vL = 2(1) / 343(0.3) = 205.8 Hz for the fundamental frequency --> set as f in the doppler equation
f = 2(2) / 343(0.3) = 411.5Hz for the second harmonic --> set as f" in the doppler equation

411.6 = 343 (205.8) / (343-vsound)
Vsound = 171.5 m/s = 1/2 vsound

I am getting 1/2 the speed of sound, rather than 2x the speed of sound which is the answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
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vetgirl1990 said:
I am getting 1/2 the speed of sound, rather than 2x the speed of sound which is the answer. What am I doing wrong?
Twice the speed of sound is clearly nonsense. The observer would not hear the player approach. Must be a typo.
Your answer looks right.
 
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haruspex said:
Twice the speed of sound is clearly nonsense. The observer would not hear the player approach. Must be a typo.
Your answer looks right.

LOL thank you! My initial reaction to the "answer" was that it was an extremely hypothetical situation. Thanks for verifying!
 

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