Doppler Shift for Traffic Light Colors

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler shift in the context of a motorist observing a yellow traffic light that appears green due to their speed. The original poster is attempting to determine the necessary speed for this color change, using specific wavelengths for yellow and green light.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the appropriateness of the equation they are using for the Doppler shift and expresses uncertainty about their calculated result. Other participants provide alternative equations and discuss their validity, while some clarify terminology related to frequency and wavelength.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different equations related to the Doppler effect. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of alternative equations, and there is a recognition of differing approaches to the problem. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original equation may be applicable under certain conditions (e.g., when the speed of light is much greater than the speed of the motorist), which raises questions about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


How fast would a motorist have to be traveling for a yellow (l = 595 nm) traffic light to appear green (l = 550 nm) because of the Doppler shift?


Homework Equations



v=[(c)(f0/fs)2-c] / [(f0/fs)2+1]

The Attempt at a Solution


v= Speed of motorist
c= Speed of light
f0= Observed wavelength (green, (5.5x10^-7 m)
fs= Source wavelength (yellow, (5.95x10^-7 m)

First of all, am I using the correct equation? Because I'm almost certain my work is correct, since after plugging in the above known numbers, i get 2.35x10^7 m/s for an answer, but this answer is not correct. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Cheezay said:
First of all, am I using the correct equation?
Looks OK. (Except for some reason you use f to represent wavelength. f usually stands for frequency.)

Because I'm almost certain my work is correct, since after plugging in the above known numbers, i get 2.35x10^7 m/s for an answer, but this answer is not correct.
That answer looks good to me.
 
oooh i love doppler shift =]

ive always used F(observed)= [c/(c+v)]*F(actual)
 
Thanks RoryP. I don't know what was wrong with the equation that i posted, but i tried yours out and it worked!
 
RoryP said:
ive always used F(observed)= [c/(c+v)]*F(actual)
That equation isn't quite right; it should be:

[tex]f_{obs} = f \sqrt{\frac{c + v}{c - v}}[/tex]
 
No worries Cheezay, yeah I've never seen the equation you started with, but then again I've only been doing physics for 2 years now so i might bump into it soon!

Yeah i just checked my notes from 6th form and the equation i used is for c>>v, so don't konw if that makes any difference =]
 

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