Dose our life deserve these efforts we pay ?

[Eng.Elkurdi]

Does our life deserve these efforts we pay ?

Hi,,, everyone

This is my first subject at your forum which is really attracted me specially

that it contain twice science and general subjects.

I wondered with which subject to start and in which forum departement

and i decided to start here and to start with a general and important

question...Does our life deserve these efforts we pay ?

lots of us start his day working and end it too, we live starting as child

and ended by death, during our life we have wars, peace, love and hate

and regardless what our life looks like , the end is the same...DEATH

Hope to take this subject seriously, why to live ?

is 70 - to 80 years along interval ?

does this deserve killing , hating , wars , ...etc

waiting ur replies

 

[DaveC426913]

Our lives are what we make them. Life is about the journey, not the destination.

 

[zoobyshoe]

I'm having a hard time compressing the opening post down to an easily grasped question but I think it might be: "Is it worth it to exert much effort in life when, no matter what effort, or how much effort, you exert, everyone dies at the end.

If that is correct, then I agree with Dave's answer.

 

[Eng.Elkurdi]

Well even people like Donald Trump here sometimes talk sense when they say that life is a gradual waiting for death. We fool ourselves I think of this fact, and it is a depressing one when we think too much about it. The older I get (and I am still quite young), the more I am struck by human greed and vanity and the utter senselessness of it all. One option is to exit from it all and the other is to do something meaningful with oneself and try to at least enjoy our time here despite all the craziness going on here. The second is the more viable option I think. Despite all my years in school, and for all my education and for all I have seen, I find myself really not much wiser than I started out and often not any closer to the truth than the man I see sleeping in the subway on my way to school every day who seems to have lost his mind. Regarding the negative in life, here is a quote from a mathematician I happen to like:
"The cussedness of things". An unnecessary anthropomorphism. WE might speak of the world as malicious; we could easily imagine the Devil had created the world, or part of it. And it is not necessary to imagine the evil spirit intervening in particular situations; everything can happen "according to the laws of nature"; it is just that the whole scheme of things will be aimed at evil from the start. But man exists in his world, where things break, slide about, cause every imaginable mischief. And of course he is one such thing himself-The "cussedness" of things is a stupid anthropomorphism. Because the truth is much graver than this fiction."

really your reply is very deep and complex, first thanks...

second, my objective from this subject is to ask how can i feel that life

with all events it contain have a real mean ?

and does putting aims and objectives to reach during life is really

effective- as some people say-?

also what religions tells about a nother final life after death ?

I need your opinion friends...

 

[Evo]

I will never understand why so many people worry about stuff like this and don't just try to live their life in a way that is best for them. To me they waste their entire life worrying if they are wasting their life.

There was a book "Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff, Simple ways to keep the little things from taking over your life". Maybe you should read it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786881852/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I don't waste my time reading that kind of thing, but sounds like you might like it.

 

[Lisa!]

We do make those efforts to make a more enjoyable life. At least I can't enjoy my life if I think I'm wasting my time and energy.
Oh I also agree with Dave and Zoobie(:!) ).

 

[Eng.Elkurdi]

I will never understand why so many people worry about stuff like this and don't just try to live their life in a way that is best for them. To me they waste they're entire life worrying if they are wasting their life.

There was a book "Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff, Simple ways to keep the little things from taking over your life". Maybe you should read it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786881852/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I don't waste my time reading that kind of thing, but sounds like you might like it.

Thanks Evo for your advice...

well,,, i agree with u. i hate thinking about these things but when i saw

what kind of suffer people face in different area of this Earth such as

those in africa. i really ask my self what prevented me to be one of those

who don't find food to eat or one of those die every day by diseases.

do u agree with me?

why not us ?

who has the choice and is that fair ?

 

[DaveC426913]

i hate thinking about these things but when i saw what kind of suffer people face in different area of this Earth such as those in africa. i really ask my self what prevented me to be one of those who don't find food to eat or one of those die every day by diseases.
do u agree with me?
why not us ?
who has the choice and is that fair ?

Has it occurred to you that, during this short, perhaps wasted life you have been given, you might put it to good use by helping those suffering people in Africa?

Perhaps you are not the one who stands to benefit from your life. Perhaps there are others who stand to benefit from your life.

 

[TuviaDaCat]

heh, who the hack care what happens beond the sea.
we care more for ourself more than anything, and this is how it should be. just live your life, be kind to those near you.
its painful to see hadicapts in the hospital indeed, but we tend to not care too much anyway.

people die, and suffer, but if ull try to absorb other's misery its pretty much recking your life... as long as things are far from the eye, normally you wouldn't care, by nature. don't make yourself suffer, when you can avoid suffering...

 

[Alec]

Well, what are your options?
To die instead of giving it a try?
Or seize the opportunity given to you?

Children starving in Africa is indeed a terrible problem, but look it from this point of view - They don't have the opportunity to do something, you do, but if you don't - you'll realize this one day and regret it. I believe it's worse to regret something that could've been instead of missing something that wasn't your's for the taking.

If you look at from a biological view, it's to mate as much as possible and spread your seed. So, instead of doing math and physics go out and shag as many women as possible In other words enjoy yourself, nothing lasts forever!

 

[zoobyshoe]

i hate thinking about these things but when i saw

what kind of suffer people face in different area of this Earth such as

those in africa. i really ask my self what prevented me to be one of those

who don't find food to eat or one of those die every day by diseases.

do u agree with me?

why not us ?

who has the choice and is that fair ?

I see what's bothering you now, and it bothers me as well.

My reaction is to waver back and forth between Dave and Evo's positions: try to do something about it when possible and try not to worry about the fact you can never completely solve this problem.

 

[J77]

Why do people who ask the big questions never have a grasp of grammar or punctuation?

 

[J77]

Well perhaps they might not be native speakers of english. Is there a rule that such a person cannot cannot ask? I do not like to ask such questions myself but somehow they always get a reaction out of me.

Who? What? When? How?

As far as life's concerned: death's always going to be there.

There are loads of ways to enjoy life though.

Some people like to earn and save loads of money; working to afford a future lifestyle. Whereas, some people enjoy to spend what they get day to day.

I prefer the second approach. Enjoy the moment.

Work to live, don't live to work.

Other efforts?

In an academic setting, yes the efforts are worth it. My work (although only limited people will read/use it) will outlive me. That's quite cool, and worth the effort.

 

[DaveC426913]

Why do people who ask the big questions never have a grasp of grammar or punctuation?

Funny thing about the World Wide Web, is that it really is "World Wide".

*Insert Americano-centric bashing remark here*

 

[Eng.Elkurdi]

Why do people who ask the big questions never have a grasp of grammar or punctuation?

Do u mean my language ?

well,,, :uhh: the true is that english language is my second language.

Sorry if there are some mistakes, but the objective to give the experssion

correctly and depending on others replies, I think that i gave the meanings

i want.

Thanks.

 

[J77]

Do u mean my language ?

It's just that when some people start philosophising in a first post, it can seem like a long rant.

Sometimes it seems that the post hasn't been reread, before submitting, to see if it makes sense or not. (And it can't be that hard to capitalise the start of sentences.)

 

[DaveC426913]

Do u mean my language ?
Sorry if there are some mistakes,

Don't apologize. We look beyond spelling.

 

[russ_watters]

I will never understand why so many people worry about stuff like this and don't just try to live their life in a way that is best for them. To me they waste their entire life worrying if they are wasting their life.

Well, there are common times that a great many people worry about their lives, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Still, if the worry becomes overpowering (and that happens a lot too), then obviously it can be harmful.

My philosophy has always been that if I like where I am now and am on a good path (sometimes that's the same thing), I'm good. The problem a lot of people have is they don't know what path they want to be on or are on the wrong path or worry about their progress on that path. Then the combined hits of fear of stagnation and fear of change become paralyzing. I guess then it really all is about control - the key is believing you have control over your life and acting accordingly.

Still, the one thing you can't control is time, which is why people have midlife crises - but then the solution is what you just said: distract yourself by living and don't sweat the small stuff.

 

[Eng.Elkurdi]

Thanks for your replies friends...

well,, I took from you some of what i want from this subject or post.

but their still a nother point?

it is sure that all of you know lots about religions, specially islam,

Christians and Jews which tell that there is a nother life after death

and it depend on this life and how we act in it.

do you think that this can give our life a nother taste ?

Waiting your opinions...

 

[DaveC426913]

Well, as someone said: it can be argued that atheists are the most moral of people, since they must develop their own internal reasons for being "good people", rather than because of reward or punishment.

Atheists choose to be good because they determine that it is the right thing to do, not because someone or something tells them that they should (even if they're told that 'it is the right thing to do').

"Character is who you are in the dark." (translation: your character determines how you act when no one is lookiing and you can't get caught). Atheists are never being watched, therefore their actions are the most sincere.

Those who decide that someone else is in charge of right and wrong, are passing the buck - they are abdicating personal responsibility.


Or so it can be argued.

Wait - what was the question?

 

[octelcogopod]

Every man must find his own path, once he does, he will be happy.

 

[Evo]

Thanks for your replies friends...

well,, I took from you some of what i want from this subject or post.

but their still a nother point?

it is sure that all of you know lots about religions, specially islam,

Christians and Jews which tell that there is a nother life after death

and it depend on this life and how we act in it.

do you think that this can give our life a nother taste ?

Waiting your opinions...

Discussions of specific religions and/or beliefs aren't allowed here. Generic discussions are permissable.

I have to agree with Dave, being a good person because that's how you want to be rather than being good because you're afraid of punishment requires a little more backbone.

 

[DaveC426913]

Every man must find his own path, once he does, he will be happy.

Unless his path is an artist. In which case, he will be angst-ridden (at least, if he wants to be a productive artist).

 

[Eng.Elkurdi]

ok friends i think that this forum is really perfect and all are serious here

so as i told u before i am a new user of this forum and i think i like it.

 

[DaveC426913]

Sounds like we passed the test. :rofl:

 

[Eng.Elkurdi]

Sounds like we passed the test. :rofl:

Not exactly like this.

 

[arildno]

"Character is who you are in the dark." (translation: your character determines how you act when no one is lookiing and you can't get caught). Atheists are never being watched, therefore their actions are the most sincere.

:

I have a certain fondness for the ancients' idea that character is shown when you are drunk.
Rather than our lame excuses like "I wasn't myself last night", the Greek would have replied "Oh yes you were, and I didn't like it one bit"

 

[scott_alexsk]

You know people born into the United States and other countries usually have a good exsistence. I mean, people generally can pursue their dreams, their work can make a difference, etc. When asking whether or not life is worth living to people that have good lives, they are of course going to say yes, even if they ultimately believe that life is meaningless and all happened by chance (i.e. evolution). But people whose lives consist of endless suffering and terror are only still around because they have some sort of religion that gives them hope, or that they have some sort of hope or reason besides this. Their continuing exsistence would be nullified by the idea that life is meaningless, since why exsist and care about other people when nothing matters, all is an accident, and nothing is likely going to ever break the suffering in your life.

 

[DaveC426913]

But people whose lives consist of endless suffering and terror are only still around because they have some sort of religion that gives them hope, or that they have some sort of hope or reason besides this.

Not personally knowing anybody like this, I would not be comfortable presuming to know how others live, what they think and why they continue to subsist. Aren't you being a little presumptuous?

 

[scott_alexsk]

Well I was referring to a large majority of people in Africa such as those in Sudan, Liberia and other countries. And in any case would life be truly worth living if that was all you had to deal with and remmember every day, knowing that there is no end or reason to it all and that all you have to, likely, look forward to after it, is simply the eventual death of you and those close to you. It may be presumptious but I do not simply see how people could rationalize living unless they had some kind of hope, or faith in religion. Religion is the opiate of the masses.
-scott

 

[DaveC426913]

...would life be truly worth living if that was all you had to deal with and remmember every day, knowing that there is no end or reason to it all and that all you have to, likely, look forward to after it, is simply the eventual death of you and those close to you.

I think you may be watching too much TV - that's not meant to be trite .These people still have lives; it's not all flies and starvation.

 

[scott_alexsk]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/aids/stories/overview/"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2449527.stm"


I was exaggerating somewhat, but it is still very bad.
-scott

 

[DaveC426913]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/aids/stories/overview/"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2449527.stm"


I was exaggerating somewhat, but it is still very bad.
-scott

Yes, but the jist of your post is that it is so bad that, if not for belief in God, they would have no reason to live. That is a statement that can't simply be handwaved.

 

[scott_alexsk]

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=20928&sec=20&con=58"

Here is an article on Christian expansion in Africa. Look around, Islam is expanding at a similar rate.

I ask you if these people were satisfied with the state of their lives why would they be converting at such huge rates. If their lives are so fine why do they feel the need to probe another religion to see if they can get a better life out of it? They are searching. They are seeking relief in religion. If you take that away from them and tell them it is not going to make a difference and that there is a high likelyhood that things are going to stay the same way they are, how do you think they are going to react? They're not going to simply brush it off like its nothing, you are changing their entire perspective of the world and on the meaning of life. If they did not need religion why would they pursue it?

-scott