Double checking organic chem mechanisms

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This discussion focuses on organic chemistry mechanisms, specifically the reactions involving alkenes and their transformations. The participant clarifies the outcomes of reactions such as CH2OHCH3 in H+ yielding CH2=CH2, and the anti addition of RC≡CR' in Na/NH3 producing RCH=CHR'. Key mechanisms discussed include electrophilic addition to alkenes and the role of carbocation formation, particularly emphasizing the regioselectivity based on substitution. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding mechanisms over rote memorization for mastering organic reactions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electrophilic addition mechanisms in organic chemistry
  • Familiarity with carbocation stability and regioselectivity
  • Knowledge of common reagents like H3O+, Na/NH3, and Hg(OAc)2
  • Basic grasp of reaction types such as substitution and addition reactions
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the mechanism of electrophilic addition to alkenes through carbocation formation
  • Explore the regioselectivity in reactions involving alkenes and alkynes
  • Review the transformations of alkenes using reagents like BH3/THF and H2O2/OH-
  • Consult standard organic chemistry texts, such as Morrison & Boyd, for detailed mechanisms
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Organic chemistry students, educators, and anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of reaction mechanisms and improve their problem-solving skills in organic synthesis.

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Hello,

I need to make sure I understand some of the reactions correctly... For example:

CH2OHCH3 in H+ will give us CH2=CH2. I would think that here the H+ bonded with the OH resulting in H2O (a leaving group), but I am not sure what happens to the other leaving H.

In RC≡CR' in Na/NH3, we get RCH=CHR' in an anti addition. Where did the 2 H come from? The NH3?

RCH=CH2 in H3O+ gives RCHOHCH3. Did the OH and H come from the H3O+? Do we then have one last H that does not bond with the molecule? And did the OH add to the C bonded with the R because it is the most substituted carbon?

In RCH=CH2 in (1) Hg(OAc)2/H2O and (2) NaBH4, NaOH, we get RCHOHCH3. Where did the OH and H come from? Did the OH add to the C bonded with the R because it is the most substituted carbon?

In RCH=CH2 in (1) BH3/THF and (2) H2O2/OH- we get RCH2CH2OH. Did the OH add to the C because it was the least substituted? Also, is the mechanism the following: first, Br (from BH3) bonds with the least subst. carbon, and H also from BH3 adds to the other C, thus breaking the double bond. Then in step (2) Br is replaced by OH, from OH-.

And finally:
a) ROH + SOCl2 -> RCl
and
b) ROH + TsCl ---(base)--> ROTs

These 2 reactions confuse me. I thought that in a) the H would bond with a Cl giving HCl + RSOCl. Why does it give RCl?
However in b) what I thought would happen in a) does take place. H and Cl bond, resulting in ROTs. Why?

Thank you so much for your help, I hope I was clear enough!
 
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future_vet said:
CH2OHCH3 in H+ will give us CH2=CH2. I would think that here the H+ bonded with the OH resulting in H2O (a leaving group), but I am not sure what happens to the other leaving H.
The acid is H+A-. The other H atom (through a carbocation mechanism) goes away with the conjugate base, A-
 
Thanks!
 
future_vet said:
In RC≡CR' in Na/NH3, we get RCH=CHR' in an anti addition. Where did the 2 H come from? The NH3?
Yes, one H-atom from each NH3.

RCH=CH2 in H3O+ gives RCHOHCH3. Did the OH and H come from the H3O+? Do we then have one last H that does not bond with the molecule? And did the OH add to the C bonded with the R because it is the most substituted carbon?
Yes, yes and yes. Look up the mechanism for electrophilic addition to alkenes through carbocation formation on the most substituted carbon.
 
Thank you so much, you're so helpful!
We rarely get the mechanisms in class, as we are told we have to do a lot of memorization. But I found that understanding the mechanism allows me to remember the reactions for the rest of the semester, instead of relying on memorization.
 
future_vet said:
In RCH=CH2 in (1) Hg(OAc)2/H2O and (2) NaBH4, NaOH, we get RCHOHCH3. Where did the OH and H come from? Did the OH add to the C bonded with the R because it is the most substituted carbon?

In RCH=CH2 in (1) BH3/THF and (2) H2O2/OH- we get RCH2CH2OH. Did the OH add to the C because it was the least substituted? Also, is the mechanism the following: first, Br (from BH3) bonds with the least subst. carbon, and H also from BH3 adds to the other C, thus breaking the double bond. Then in step (2) Br is replaced by OH, from OH-.
You will find these mechanisms in any standard O Chem text. In Morrisson & Boyd (6th Ed.), this is in Ch 9: Reactions of Alkenes.
 

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