Double integrals over general regions.

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral over a region defined by the intersection of a line and a parabola. Participants explore the limits of integration and the implications of choosing y as the variable of integration instead of x, particularly focusing on the behavior of the functions involved and the resulting limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the lower limit for y is set to -2 instead of -4, given that substituting x=5 into the equation for the parabola yields y=±4.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial claim regarding the limits is incorrect, though the reasoning is not fully elaborated.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of the square root function, emphasizing that y cannot take negative values when defined as $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of obtaining y values from both equations, $$y=x-1$$ and $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$, and the implications of using these for integration limits.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correct limits of integration and the interpretation of the functions involved. The discussion remains unresolved as differing viewpoints are presented without a consensus.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the functions and their values, particularly concerning the definition of y in relation to the square root function and the implications for integration limits.

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Hello MHB,
Exemple 3: "Evaluate $$\int\int_D xy dA$$, where D is the region bounded by the line $$y=x-1$$ and parabola $$y^2=2x+6$$"
They say I region is more complicated (the x) so we choose y. so if we equal them we get $$x_1=-1$$ and $$x_2=5$$
then as they said it's more complicated if we work with x limit so we make them to y limit. and we got $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$ and $$y=x-1$$ the y limit shall be $$y_1=4$$ and $$y_2=-2$$ but if you put 5 in $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$ we get $$y=\pm 4$$ so how does this 'exactly' work. Shall I check the value on both function? I reread the chapter and try think and think but never come up with an answer why I can't use lower limit as $$-4$$
What I exactly mean why don't we have our lowest limit as -4 insted of -2
(It may be little confusing, sorry)Regards,
 
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Petrus said:
but if you put 5 in $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$ we get $$y=\pm 4$$ so how does this 'exactly' work.

No , this is not correct .
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
No , this is not correct .
Hello Zaid
$$y=\sqrt{16}$$ what do you mean

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$$\sqrt{16} \neq \pm 4$$

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For this example it is better to separate the integral , we cannot define $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$ because $y$ takes negative values.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
$$\sqrt{16} \neq \pm 4$$

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For this example it is better to separate the integral , we cannot define $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$ because $y$ takes negative values.
The point is we can get y value two way. $$y=x-1$$ and $$y=\sqrt{2x+6}$$ in the first one if we put 5 we get positive 4 so I can just put in first one :)?
 

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