Double Slit Experiment with Electrons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the double slit experiment using electron beams, focusing on the behavior of electrons as they pass through the slits and the implications of measurement on their wave-like and particle-like characteristics. Participants explore concepts related to quantum mechanics, measurement, and the interpretation of experimental results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if a detector is placed in the wall between the slits, only particle-like behavior will be observed, resulting in dots rather than a wave pattern.
  • Others argue that placing detectors in the wall does not affect the interference pattern unless detectors are placed at the slits themselves, where knowing which slit the electron went through eliminates interference.
  • A participant suggests that measuring the electrons collapses the wave function, leading to the absence of an interference pattern.
  • Some contributions discuss the concept of wave-particle duality, with differing opinions on its validity and relevance in contemporary physics discussions.
  • There is a contention regarding whether quantum objects can be considered a mixture of both particle and wave characteristics, with some asserting that they are neither.
  • A later reply references Niels Bohr's interpretation of quantum behavior, suggesting that measurement influences the behavior of particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of measurement effects on electron behavior and the validity of the term "wave-particle duality." The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on these interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of measurement on quantum behavior, with some expressing uncertainty about the terminology and concepts used in quantum mechanics.

  • #31
diemilio said:
So what you're saying is that the measurement itself in a way "corrupts" the original experiment so the results of the original test change, correct? That I can understand.

No.

I am saying that the thing being measured and what you measure it with interacts, becomes entangled (specifically via decoherence), and when that happens interference terms are suppressed.

That might be techno-babble, but unfortunately its the best I can do.

The following will explain it carefully:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465036678/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Warning - it requires math. But unfortunately that's the only way to explain it CORRECTLY. You will find plenty of popularisations that purport to explain it but mostly its rubbish. Susskind avoids such issues - but your thinking cap needs to be on.

Thanks
Bill
 
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  • #32
bhobba said:
No.

I am saying that the thing being measured and what you measure it with interacts, becomes entangled (specifically via decoherence), and when that happens interference terms are suppressed.

That might be techno-babble, but unfortunately its the best I can do.

The following will explain it carefully:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465036678/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Warning - it requires math. But unfortunately that's the only way to explain it CORRECTLY. You will find plenty of popularisations that purport to explain it but mostly its rubbish. Susskind avoids such issues - but your thinking cap needs to be on.

Thanks
Bill

Thanks Bill, I will check out the reference. I have "OK" math skills, so I think I should be fine. If you happen to know of a paper where they show the experimental results I am looking for I would appreciate it.

Thanks again.
 
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