Doubt about proof on self-adjoint operators.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of self-adjoint operators in the context of linear transformations between finite-dimensional spaces. Participants examine the proofs related to the self-adjointness of the products ##A^*A## and ##AA^*##, questioning the conditions under which these products are self-adjoint.

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  • One participant questions the validity of the proof stating that ##(A^*A)^*=A^*A^{**}##, suggesting that this equality holds only if ##A## and ##A^*## commute.
  • Another participant presents a similar proof for ##AA^*## and expresses confusion about the equality ##(AA^*)^*=A^*A^{**}##, also implying a condition on the commutation of ##A## and ##A^*## for self-adjointness.
  • A third participant attempts to clarify the confusion by stating the correct form of the proof and correcting the misunderstanding regarding the adjoint operation, specifically noting that ##(AB)^* = B^*A^*##.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction and expresses gratitude for the clarification.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the conditions under which the products ##A^*A## and ##AA^*## are self-adjoint, with some confusion about the application of the adjoint operation. The discussion remains unresolved as participants have differing interpretations of the proofs.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the commutation of operators and the implications of the adjoint operation, which are not fully explored or clarified.

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So the statement which the proof's about is: For every linear transformation ##A##(between finite dimension spaces), the product ##A^*A## is self-adjoint. So, the proof is:
##(A^*A)^*=A^*A^{**}=A^*A##
What i don't understand is why ##(A^*A)^*=A^*A^{**}##. Isn't that true only if ##A## and ##A^*##commute?
 
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Rodrigo Schmidt said:
So the statement which the proof's about is: For every linear transformation ##A##(between finite dimension spaces), the product ##AA^*## is self-adjoint. So, the proof is:
##(AA^*)^*=A^*A^{**}=A^*A##
What I don't understand is ##(AA^*)^*=A^*A^{**}##. Shouldn't ##(AA^*)^*##be equal to ##A^*A^{**} = A^*A##? Wouldn't this mean that ##AA^*## is self-adjoint only if ##A## and ##A^*## commute?

Your post is very confused, because you have posted the same thing twice as both the correct and wrong versions. What you meant to say, no doubt was:

The proof is given as:

##(AA^*)^* = A^{**}A^* = AA^*##

But, you think it should be:

##(AA^*)^* = A^*A^{**} = A^*A##

But, you are wrong, because:

##(AB)^* = B^*A^*## and not ##A^*B^*##
 
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PeroK said:
AB)∗=B∗A∗(AB)^* = B^*A^* and not A∗B∗
Oh, thank you! I totally forgot that.
 
think through the proof of these more basic facts.
 
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