Dr/dt = (dr/du)(du/dt) + (dr/dv)(dv/dt)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation representing the relationship between partial derivatives in the context of vector analysis, specifically focusing on the total differential and its implications. Participants explore the confusion surrounding the interpretation of the equation and the application of the chain rule in multivariable calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the equation, likening it to an incorrect statement that suggests dr/dt equals itself added to itself.
  • Another participant clarifies that if r is a function of u and v, then the total differential dr can be expressed in terms of partial derivatives with respect to u and v.
  • A third participant argues against the initial confusion, stating that one cannot simply divide out differentials, emphasizing the importance of the chain rule in this context.
  • A later reply acknowledges a personal misconception regarding partial and total derivatives, indicating a shift in understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion, as some express misunderstanding while others provide clarifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the equation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the relationship between partial and total derivatives, as well as the application of the chain rule. The discussion does not resolve these conceptual challenges.

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Sometimes I see the equation in the style as seen in the topic title (the d is the partial derivative) during vector analysis lectures and I get confused.

Its like saying dr/dt = dr/dt + dr/dt which doesn't make a lot of sense is it not?
 
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if r \equiv r(u,v) then
dr = \frac{\partial r}{\partial u} du + \frac{\partial r}{\partial v} dv
is the total differential.

Divide that symbolically by dt.
 
jamesb1 said:
Its like saying dr/dt = dr/dt + dr/dt which doesn't make a lot of sense is it not?
No it isn't and the reason is because you can't just divide out ##\partial u## and ##du## like that. The former is a nonsense expression. This is where the horrible practice of "dividing out" differentials from single variable calculus comes back to bite you. The expression in the title comes out of the chain rule.

For a proof of this chain rule, see here (Theorem 6): http://math.bard.edu/belk/math461/MultivariableCalculus.pdf
 
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Wow I just realized I made a very silly misconception with regards to the partial and total derivatives. I fully understand now! Thank you for your help :)
 

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