Drawing Modulus Graphs: Step-By-Step Guide with Examples

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The discussion revolves around the graphing of the function f(x) = ln|3x-6|, focusing on transformations and the implications of using absolute values in logarithmic functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the transformations of the logarithmic function and question how to handle the modulus in the context of asymptotes and reflections. There are discussions about the points where the function is defined and the implications of using absolute values.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the behavior of the function and its transformations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the reflection of the graph in relation to asymptotes, and there is a mix of interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and properties of logarithmic functions, particularly in relation to absolute values and their effects on graph behavior. There is an emphasis on understanding where the function is undefined and how that influences the graphing process.

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Homework Statement


how would I draw the graph
f(x) = ln|3x-6|


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The Attempt at a Solution


So I know that the graph ln(3x-6) would be a transformation of ln(x) 6 units to the right and the stretch by scale factor (1/3) along the x-axis (i.e: divide all x co-ordiantes on ln(x-6) by 3)

However I then have to modulus the function 3x-6
I am NOT saying |f(x)| therefore I don't reflect in the x-axis
I am NOT saying f(|x|) therefore I don't reflect in the y-axis

Therefore how do I continue this transformation.

Apparently I reflect in the asymptote (which moved to x=2) BUT WHY?
 
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ln(x) and even ln|x| have asymptotes at x=0. In your new function, ln|3x-6|, where is it undefined? That is, when does 3x-6=0?
 
DivisionByZro said:
ln(x) and even ln|x| have asymptotes at x=0. In your new function, ln|3x-6|, where is it undefined? That is, when does 3x-6=0?

This happens when x = 2
 
are you saying for any modulus function i just equate the modulus bit to 0 and reflect it in that?
 
RCB said:
are you saying for any modulus function i just equate the modulus bit to 0 and reflect it in that?

No. If by any modulus function you really mean any function composed with an absolute value function, then no. |x| has no asymptotes, so you don't need to do that. My advice to you: find where your function intersects with the x and y axes (when y=0 and x=0, respectively), and find the asymptote (Which you've already done), determine if there are horizontal asymptotes (there could be), determine the concavity, then try to graph it.
 
ok but why do I reflect the graph above in the asymptotes ?
 
RCB said:

Homework Statement


how would I draw the graph
f(x) = ln|3x-6|


Homework Equations


NONE


The Attempt at a Solution


So I know that the graph ln(3x-6) would be a transformation of ln(x) 6 units to the right
No it wouldn't. ln(3x - 6) = ln(3(x - 2)).

The translation (shift) to the right is by 2 units relative to the graph of y = ln(3x).
RCB said:
and the stretch by scale factor (1/3) along the x-axis (i.e: divide all x co-ordiantes on ln(x-6) by 3)

However I then have to modulus the function 3x-6
I am NOT saying |f(x)| therefore I don't reflect in the x-axis
I am NOT saying f(|x|) therefore I don't reflect in the y-axis

Therefore how do I continue this transformation.

Apparently I reflect in the asymptote (which moved to x=2) BUT WHY?
 
RCB said:
ok but why do I reflect the graph above in the asymptotes ?
ln(3x - 6) is defined only where 3x - 6 > 0
ln|3x - 6| is defined everywhere except where 3x - 6 = 0.

It might be helpful to sketch the graph of y = |3x - 6| and then use it to get the graph of y = ln|3x - 6|.
 
Mark44 said:
ln(3x - 6) is defined only where 3x - 6 > 0
ln|3x - 6| is defined everywhere except where 3x - 6 = 0.

It might be helpful to sketch the graph of y = |3x - 6| and then use it to get the graph of y = ln|3x - 6|.

Ok here's why I am confused
|ln(3x-6)| is a reflection of f(x) > 0 (for f(x) < 0) in the x-axis

ln(3|x| - 6) is a reflection of x > 0 (for x < 0) in the y-axis

but let's say we took the graph
|3x-6|
(3x-6) is defined EVERYWHERE (for ALL values of y)

so why would it be different here
sorry I seem to be slow :(
 
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oh hold on
because |3x-6| is always positive, ln(u) is always positive, right?
 
  • #11
jsmith613 said:
oh hold on
because |3x-6| is always positive, ln(u) is always positive, right?

|3x-6| is always non-negative, not quite always positive.

ln(u) is not defined if u ≤ 0. |3x-6| = 0 if x = 2 .
 
  • #12
jsmith613 said:
Ok here's why I am confused
|ln(3x-6)| is a reflection of f(x) > 0 (for f(x) < 0) in the x-axis
I think I get what you're trying to say, but you're not saying it very well. Taking the absolute value reflects the part of the graph of y = ln(3x - 6) that is below the x-axis, across the x-axis.
jsmith613 said:
ln(3|x| - 6) is a reflection of x > 0 (for x < 0) in the y-axis
It's not useful to consider this function in your problem.
jsmith613 said:
but let's say we took the graph
|3x-6|
(3x-6) is defined EVERYWHERE (for ALL values of y)

so why would it be different here
sorry I seem to be slow :(

y = 3x - 6 = 3(x - 2) is a straight line with a slope of 3 and a y-intercept of -6. The line has an x-intercept at (2, 0).

The graph of y = |3x - 6| = 3|x - 2| is identical to the graph of y = 3(x - 2) for x >= 2. For x < 2, the graph of y = 3(x - 2) is reflected across the x-axis.

The graph of f(x) = ln|3(x - 2)| is defined everywhere except at x = 2.
 
  • #13
I quickly skimmed through the posts to this thread and did not see the following way of looking at this problem.

ln(|3x-6|) = ln(|3| |x-2|) = ln(3) + ln(|x-2|)

|x-2| is symmetric w.r.t. the vertical line, x=2.

Take it from there.
 
  • #14
SammyS said:
I quickly skimmed through the posts to this thread and did not see the following way of looking at this problem.

ln(|3x-6|) = ln(|3| |x-2|) = ln(3) + ln(|x-2|)

|x-2| is symmetric w.r.t. the vertical line, x=2.

Take it from there.

OK.
just to check I understand this for all any future problems:

|x| is the absolute value of x
if I took
|x|2 + 3|x| + 5
I then take the positive value of all y values.
this leads to a reflection in the y-axis because the f(x) x≥0 will be the same as x<0

for
|f(x)| the f(x) value for any -f(x) value is then mapped onto +f(x)
thus it is a reflection in the x axis

Now for a composite function:
f(x) = 3x+2
g(x) = ln(x)

Thus
gf(x) = ln(3x+2)
so, g(f(|x|)) = ln(|3x+2|)

Now the graph of
|3x+2| is symmetrical w.r.t the vertical line x = -2/3

now because ln|3x+2| is a composite function, we take the vertical line x = -2/3 to be the reflection point
 
  • #15
so for simple any graph (even composite graph) EXCLUDING THOSE for ln(x) and ex:
e.g:
f(x) = 3x-2
g(x) = 3x2

fg(x) = 9x2 -2
so
|9x2 -2| would just involve reflecting negative fg(x) values in the x-axis
etc...

HOWEVER for ln(x) graphs of ex graphs, when I have a composite function and I mod. ONLY the linear function NOT the composite / exponential or logarithmic function I look for where the composite function IS NOT DEFINED and reflect the graph in that vertical line

THESE ARE RULES I WILL JUST LEARN
are they correct?

thanks
 
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  • #16
Instead of trying to memorize a bunch of rules, I think it would be better to have a basic understanding of what's going on.

For your example in the previous post, let's get rid of all the composite function stuff and just look at y = 9x2 - 2 and y = |9x2|. Bringing in composite functions needlessly complicates things.

The first graph can be obtained by sketching y = 9x2 (a parabola), and shifting it down by 2 units. The central part of this graph, between -√(2)/3 and +√(2)/3, lies below the x-axis. If x < -√(2)/3 or x > √(2)/3, the graph is above the x-axis.

To get the graph of y = |9x2| flip the central part of the graph, the part between x = -√(2)/3 and x = √(2)/3, across the x-axis. Voila, you're done!

This same process can be followed for an arbitrary function. To get the graph of y = |f(x)|, do this:

1. Sketch the graph of y = f(x)
2. If any parts of the graph are below the x-axis, reflect them across the x-axis to get the graph of y = |f(x)|. Any parts of the original graph that were above the x-axis don't get reflected.
 

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