Drop a ball - where does the energy go?

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The discussion revolves around the energy transformations that occur when a bowling ball is dropped onto the ground, specifically focusing on where the energy goes after impact. Participants explore concepts related to potential energy, kinetic energy, sound, heat, and material deformation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that energy is transformed into sound and heat when the ball impacts the ground, while others argue that energy also contributes to the dent created in the dirt.
  • One participant claims that all energy eventually becomes heat over time.
  • Another participant proposes an experiment involving striking steel to generate heat, suggesting that a significant amount of energy can be converted to heat.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of starting a fire using hammers and paper, with varying opinions on the effectiveness of this method.
  • A participant mentions that energy is also stored in material stresses due to plastic deformation, indicating that not all energy is converted to heat.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specific energy transformations that occur upon impact, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness of using hammers and paper to start a fire. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete fate of the energy involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the energy transformations depend on various factors, including the materials involved and the conditions of the experiment, which may not be fully explored in the discussion.

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Hi -

If I lift a bowling ball in the air, so that it has potential energy, then drop it on the dirt, it makes a sound and a dent. Where did all the energy go? It did not all go to sound, since there's a dent, right? A small bit went to heat... what else?

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oneamp said:
A small bit went to heat...
All of it goes to heat, after a while.
 
The bit that went to heat aint small. Do the following experiment. Ask someone to hold a piece of paper up in the air for you and Bang two pieces of steel together making sure the paper is caught in between them. There should be a burnt spot on the paper afterwards.
 
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That's interesting, dauto. If I'm lost in Alaska and about to freeze, and find two hammers and some paper, is it possible that I could start a fire to save my life?
 
oneamp said:
Hi -

If I lift a bowling ball in the air, so that it has potential energy, then drop it on the dirt, it makes a sound and a dent. Where did all the energy go? It did not all go to sound, since there's a dent, right? A small bit went to heat... what else?

Thanks
Initially some energy goes into the kinetic energy of the little pieces of dirt that are moved away to make that 'dent'. Of course, all of those eventually (very quickly) stop because of friction- which is the same as saying the energy becomes heat energy. (In the long scale 'eventually' all energy becomes heat.)
 
Oldfart said:
That's interesting, dauto. If I'm lost in Alaska and about to freeze, and find two hammers and some paper, is it possible that I could start a fire to save my life?

Unlikely. The paper burns but you don't get a flame that way. The heat dissipates to quickly
 
dauto said:
Unlikely. The paper burns but you don't get a flame that way. The heat dissipates to quickly

Hmmm... What if you lightly soaked the paper in alcohol first? Anyone want to give that a try?
 
Oldfart said:
Hmmm... What if you lightly soaked the paper in alcohol first? Anyone want to give that a try?

Nah, you do it ... I'm drinking my alcohol :smile:
 
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Oldfart said:
Hmmm... What if you lightly soaked the paper in alcohol first? Anyone want to give that a try?

As mentioned by dauto the heat dissipates very fast, I don't think alcohol will be effective since the temperature will go below the flash point even before oxygen is supplied.
 
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Well, we won't really know until some idiot tries it, right?

Maybe I'll give it a shot tomorrow...
 
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Heat is not the only energy transformation. The dent means plastic deformation, so the breaking or tensing material. So energy gets stored in material induced stresses and get's absorbed by the breaking of chemical or physical bonds. The plastic deformation energy is not all transformable to heat and is very material dependent.
 

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