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Homework Help: Drop a stone in a well - Waves problem

  1. Nov 19, 2011 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    You drop a stone from rest into a well that is 7.35 m deep. How long does it take before you
    hear the splash?

    d=7.35 m
    v=343 m/s (because the disturbance is air molecules and the medium is air not water)

    2. Relevant equations
    [itex]d=\dfrac{1}{2}gt_{1}^{2}[/itex]

    [itex]\lambda=4d[/itex] and [itex]v=\lambda f[/itex] and we know that f is [itex]f=\dfrac{1}{T}[/itex]

    3. The attempt at a solution
    The time taken for the stone to drop in water:
    [itex]t_{1}=\sqrt{\dfrac{2d}{g}}=1.22 s[/itex]

    The time taken for the reflected wave to make it outside the well
    [itex]v=\dfrac{4d}{T}[/itex]
    So, [itex]T=\dfrac{4d}{v}=\dfrac{4(7.35)}{343}=0.0857 s[/itex]

    Finally,
    [itex]t_{total}=t_{1}+t_{2} = 1.22 s + 0.0857 s = 1.3 s[/itex]

    However this is wrong!! the answer is 1.24 seconds. What am i doing wrong?

    My first initial thought is to think of the well as an open-closed tube. When those relevant equations are applied to a open-closed tube I get the wrong answer. Why is thinking of the well as a open-closed tube wrong ?

    1. Is it because a little portion of the well at the bottom is filled with water so that the ENTIRE well is not actually 7.35 m ? OR

    2. Is it because we have no information about its wavelength regardless if it's a open-closed tube? OR

    3. Does the wavelength calculated above does not make sense ? (e.g. How can the wavelength be 29.4 m when the well itself is 7.35 m ? (Assuming the well as a long cylinder)
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Nov 19, 2011 #2
    You have the time for the stone to fall and hit the water correct = 1.22s
    This makes a noise and the sound has to travel to the top of the well, 7.35m and the speed of sound = 343m/s. Calculate the time taken for sound to travel this distance.
    How much time has passed since you dropped the stone??
     
  4. Nov 19, 2011 #3
    But what about the wavelength of the sound wave? I can't change the wavelenght.
     
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