Drop for a W rather than get a C?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a student's dilemma regarding whether to drop a Calculus III course after performing poorly on the first midterm or to continue in hopes of improving their grade. The context includes considerations of GPA implications, potential grading adjustments, and personal academic goals, particularly in relation to pursuing nuclear engineering in graduate school.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the significant curve in grading, suggesting that the professor may adjust the weight of the final exam due to poor midterm results.
  • One participant shares their conversation with the professor, who indicated that students failing the first midterm often struggle to pass the course overall.
  • There are differing opinions on whether to drop the course or stay enrolled, with some suggesting that dropping may be wise if the student continues to struggle.
  • Others argue that if the student can maintain a C, it may be worth the risk to stay in the course, emphasizing the importance of intense study and retention of material.
  • A participant mentions that only a few students passed the midterm, indicating a broader issue with the class performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the best course of action, with no clear consensus on whether to drop the class or continue. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the student's ability to improve and the implications of either decision.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the uncertainty surrounding the student's performance and retention of material, as well as the potential for grading adjustments that have not been confirmed. The deadline for dropping the course adds urgency to the decision-making process.

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Short Version:
I goofed up and received an F on the first calc III midterm. It looks like the max I can get in the Class is a C. That wouldn't be a problem except for I already have 2 other C's.

Long Version:
I am a sophomore in engineering physics, looking to go into nuclear engineering in grad school. My freshman year I went to a local college because my mom worked there so I was able to go for free. I was able to pull a 3.5 or so gpa for the first year with no effort.

This current year I transferred to a huge state university. Fall quarter I received 2 C's and 1 A, mostly because I was putting forth minimal effort like last year. That dropped me to just under a 3.3 cumulative GPA. This quarter I am receiving A's in all of my classes except for Calc III, which I recently just bombed the first midterm. I understand the concepts, however I wasn't expecting all the odd limits and such (my ignorance).

So now I am in an uncomfortable situation in either dropping the class and taking the last gen physics with sophomore physics next fall or making sure I do really well on the next midterm and Final and pulling a C.

(Just to note that I was not the only one who did horrible. the grading scheme for this midterm was: Below 25/100-F, 35/100-C, 45/100-B, 55/100-A).

Any and all advice and suggestion are appreciated.
 
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That's quite the curve - although not unheard off.

It's been my experience that when mid-term results are less than stellar, the grading scheme may often be altered to place more weight on the final exam. You may want to speak with your professor about this - although I suspect since the mid-term has already been curved, this is unlikely.
 
Choppy said:
That's quite the curve - although not unheard off.

It's been my experience that when mid-term results are less than stellar, the grading scheme may often be altered to place more weight on the final exam. You may want to speak with your professor about this - although I suspect since the mid-term has already been curved, this is unlikely.

That was my first impression as well. I talked the professor about it, and he said in his experience people who failed the first midterm usually end up failing the class, due to statistically not doing much better on the second midterm and final. We crunched the numbers and If I did perfectly on the last two exams than I could theoretically get a B-.
 
Xcountry said:
I talked the professor about it, and he said in his experience people who failed the first midterm usually end up failing the class

You should take his advice seriously.
 
Tough decision because you really do not know how well you will improve or retain what you are currently studying. If you continue to struggle and not improve and if you have two or more other courses now, then maybe drop the Calc III with a W; but try to continue attending the course for a few weeks just to try to keep learning. If you appear to be earning a true C in the course, then maybe just stay enrolled and take the risk, but work very intensely at this Calc III. In any case, you might still need to study it again on your own during the summer; if you earned a C, the review will keep you familar and skilled. If you dropped with a W, the review should render the course easier to successfully pass when you take it the second time.
 
symbolipoint said:
Tough decision because you really do not know how well you will improve or retain what you are currently studying. If you continue to struggle and not improve and if you have two or more other courses now, then maybe drop the Calc III with a W; but try to continue attending the course for a few weeks just to try to keep learning. If you appear to be earning a true C in the course, then maybe just stay enrolled and take the risk, but work very intensely at this Calc III. In any case, you might still need to study it again on your own during the summer; if you earned a C, the review will keep you familar and skilled. If you dropped with a W, the review should render the course easier to successfully pass when you take it the second time.

I am thinking if I do drop the course, then I will probably still go to the class.

I just learned from my TA that only a handful of people actually passed the midterm (with a 25 or higher). Next Friday is the deadline to drop, so I have about a week left to get a feel what will happen.

Thanks all!
 

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