Dropping a Ball off a cliff collision

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The problem involves a ball dropped from a cliff and a stone thrown upwards, with the goal of determining the height at which they collide. The context is kinematics, specifically dealing with motion under gravity.

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  • Participants discuss setting up kinematic equations for both the ball and the stone to find the collision point. There are attempts to calculate the time and distance for each object, with some questioning the initial conditions used in their calculations.

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Some participants have provided hints about the need for two equations due to the two unknowns in the problem. There is ongoing exploration of the correct kinematic equations to use, and some have pointed out potential errors in the initial setup.

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Participants note the importance of considering different starting positions for the ball and stone, as they originate from different heights. There is also a mention of the need for clarity on the coordinate systems used in the problem.

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A ball is dropped from the top of a 48.0 m-high cliff. At the same time, a carefully aimed stone is thrown straight up from the bottom of the cliff with a speed of 26.0 m/s. The stone and ball collide part way up. How far above the base of the cliff does this happen?


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How would you attempt to start this problem? I know that the stone reaches 34.4 meters as a max height.
 
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HINT:

You have two unknown variables in this problem, the position of the collision, and the time of the collision. Thus you need to equations to solve the problem.

Set up kinematic equations for the motion of each object and you'll have your two equations. Can you set up these equations?
 
This what i did:
For the stone 0 = 26m/s - 9.8m/s^2 t
t= 26/9.8 secs
For the ball: d = (1/2)(9.8m/s^2) * t^2
d = (1/2)(9.8m/s^2) * (26/9.8 secs)^2
d = 34.5m
But that is the wrong answer.
 
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Your problem is that you have both objects starting from position x=0. This can't be the case. You are working with two different coordinate systems at the same time.

If the stone starts at x=0, then the ball starts at x=48.
 
Which kinematic equations would i use?
 
George3 said:
Which kinematic equations would i use?

For ball
d1= v1t + 1/2*g*t2

For stone
d2= v2t - 1/2*g*t2

The height of the cliff = d1 + d2
 

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