Dryness Fraction and Entropy Generation in Non-Isentropic Steam Expansion

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of dryness fraction and entropy generation during the non-isentropic expansion of superheated steam in a nozzle. Participants explore the implications of isentropic efficiency on these calculations, focusing on both theoretical and practical aspects of thermodynamic processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the process of calculating the dryness fraction for an isentropic process using steam tables and interpolation, arriving at a value of 88%.
  • Another participant questions how to determine the dryness fraction in a non-isentropic scenario, suggesting the use of isentropic efficiency to find the actual enthalpy.
  • Several participants discuss the relationship between actual and ideal enthalpy in the context of isentropic efficiency, emphasizing the need to calculate the actual enthalpy to find the dryness fraction.
  • There is a query about whether the same values for hf and hfg should be used in the non-isentropic case as in the isentropic case, which is confirmed by another participant.
  • Participants propose an entropy balance approach to calculate the rate of entropy generation, discussing the need to find S2 for the irreversible process.
  • There is a suggestion to multiply the change in entropy by the mass flow rate to find the entropy generation rate for the non-isentropic case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of using isentropic efficiency to find actual enthalpy and the corresponding dryness fraction. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the specific calculations for the non-isentropic case and the application of entropy generation principles, indicating that multiple views and approaches are present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the accuracy of steam table values and the assumptions made regarding the process conditions. The discussion does not resolve the specific calculations for the non-isentropic case, leaving some steps and assumptions open to interpretation.

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Homework Statement


I place the question first:
Superheated steam at an absolute pressure of 10 bar and temperature of 340C expands in a nozzle reversibly and adiabatically until the pressure is 0.1 bar. the mass flow rate is 4.2kg/s.
The questions asking for:
1) Drawing the appropriate diagram for the process.
2) Dryness fraction of the steam ?
3)Dryness fraction if the process is not isentropic and isentropic efficiency is 88% ?

and my particular problem:

I know how to workout dryness fraction when this process is reversible and adiabatic because being isentropic i can use: S1=Sf + XSfg and find the appropriate values off the steam table (found S1 using interpulation between temperatures of 300C and 350C and it was S1= 7.266 kJ/kgK) to eventually find X (dryness fraction which i calculated as 88%). From there i can use X to calculate ideal h2 as well.
However my problem is, when this process is not isentropic, how to we find dryness fraction? i guess i wouldn't be able to use that same equation (used above to find X) as i end up with the same values as before. My second thought is I use the value of isentropic efficiency to find the real value of h2 and then use this real value in equation h2=hf + X hfg (obviously with same hf and hfg that i used in the first part of question) to find X in this case? am i right? any help please?
and One more thing; how do we workout the rate of entropy generation of the steam during expansion?



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Any help please?
Its the non-isentropic case with isentropic efficiency of 88% which I'm not sure about. I worked out the dryness fraction for case one (isentropic process) though.
 
kaminho said:
Any help please?
Its the non-isentropic case with isentropic efficiency of 88% which I'm not sure about. I worked out the dryness fraction for case one (isentropic process) though.

If you have the idea h2 which shall be called h2s, then the isentropic efficiency should be

\eta_{isen} = \frac{actual}{ideal}

since the mass flow rate is the same, you will just need the change in enthalpies, so the idea would be h1-h2s. So you just need to get the actual h2 and then use h2=hf+x2hfg.
 
rock.freak667 said:
If you have the idea h2 which shall be called h2s, then the isentropic efficiency should be

\eta_{isen} = \frac{actual}{ideal}

since the mass flow rate is the same, you will just need the change in enthalpies, so the idea would be h1-h2s. So you just need to get the actual h2 and then use h=hf+x2hfg.


Thank you. Can I ask, Just to make sure, in equation h=hf+x2hfg after finding h2, will I be using the same values for hf and hfg which i used in the isentropic case?
Any hints about rate of entropy generation during expansion please?
 
kaminho said:
Thank you. Can I ask, Just to make sure, in equation h=hf+x2hfg after finding h2, will I be using the same values for hf and hfg which i used in the isentropic case?
Any hints about rate of entropy generation during expansion please?


Yes you would just use the hf and hfg at state 2 (the same conditions in the isentropic case)

For the entropy, you can do an entropy balance on the system:

rate of entropy entering + rate of entropy generation = rate of entropy generated

since you have the mass flow rate, calculating rate of entropy entering and rate of entropy generated should be simple.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Yes you would just use the hf and hfg at state 2 (the same conditions in the isentropic case)

For the entropy, you can do an entropy balance on the system:

rate of entropy entering + rate of entropy generation = rate of entropy generated

since you have the mass flow rate, calculating rate of entropy entering and rate of entropy generated should be simple.

would I be doing right if I found S2 and then multiply the \DeltaS by the mass flow rate?
I meant after finding S2 of the irreversible process because S2 of isentropic is obviously same as S1.
 
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kaminho said:
would I be doing right if I found S2 and then multiply the \DeltaS by the mass flow rate?
I meant after finding S2 of the irreversible process because S2 of isentropic is obviously same as S1.

I assume you'd want to get the entropy generation rate for the non-isentropic case, else the generation is just zero.

You'd need to get s2 using s2=sf+x2+sfg.

But yes, once you get Δs, just multiply it by the mass flow rate.
 

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