Dual-Output Function: Solutions for Non-Negative Integer x?

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The discussion revolves around the exploration of a "dual-output" function, specifically a function f(x) that returns one value for x = 0 and a different value for all other non-negative integer inputs. Participants are examining various mathematical formulations and properties of such functions, including their definitions and potential closed forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a function f(x) that returns 1 when x = 0 and 0 for all other non-negative integers, expressing a desire for a closed-form representation without absolute values.
  • Another participant suggests a piecewise function definition, indicating that the proposed function is already defined by the initial conditions given.
  • A participant identifies the proposed function as the characteristic function of zero, questioning the need for a closed form.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of inverting functions that involve absolute values, with one participant expressing that it complicates their work.
  • Discussion includes the suggestion that using the characteristic function allows for the construction of piecewise functions, which may simplify the inversion process.
  • One participant introduces a sine-based function as a potential alternative, indicating it could be defined over integers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a closed-form equation and the implications of using absolute values. There is no consensus on the best approach to defining or inverting the function, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the challenge of defining functions at specific points, such as 0^0, and the implications for inversion. The discussion highlights the limitations of certain mathematical representations and the complexity introduced by piecewise definitions.

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"Dual-output" Function?

This isn't homework: I am experimenting with factorization.

Does anyone know of a function f(x) which for some value of x returns one value for f(x), but for every other value of x returns some other value?

Example: I'm trying to find a function f(x), where

x = 0, f(x) = 1
x != 0, f(x) = 0

My function is only dealing with non-negative integers, if that helps.

I've already derived a function that does this, but it uses absolute values, which is a nuisance.

Anyone know of anything like this?

For reference, here is my formula:

[tex]f(x) =\frac{1-\frac{\left|2x-1\right|}{2x-1}}{2} = \frac{\left|4x-2\right| - 4x-2}{8x-4}[/tex]
 
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scikidus said:
Example: I'm trying to find a function f(x), where

x = 0, f(x) = 1
x != 0, f(x) = 0

My function is only dealing with non-negative integers, if that helps.

That's the characteristic function of zero (Sloane's http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A000007 ). But your post seemed to focus on giving it a closed form. Why?
 
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What exactly do you want? When you say "f(0)= 1, f(x)= 0 if x is not 0" you have already defined a function. And if you want a closed form, why is absolute value a "nuisance"?
 


Thanks to those who have responded, you've helped a lot.

@Vid: The link you supplied helped me solve another problme I was working with, so thanks.

@CRGreathouse: That, too, is of great help. I wasn't sure if 0^0 would be considered defined, but that greatly simplifies my procedure.

@HallsofIvy: Yes, that techincally defines a function, but I was looking for a mathematical equation which would supply that result. Two ways are the one I supplies in ym OP, and f(x) = 0^x.

Also, I called absolute value a nuisance because I am build an equation and I need to then invert it. If there are absolute values, then things get very tricky, by which I mean impossible to solve.
 


It's interesting you decided f(x)=0^x is an equation that gives this, since 0^x has to be defined at x=0 separately anyway, so you haven't really gained anything. And there's no way in hell you're going to invert this sucker
 


scikidus said:
Also, I called absolute value a nuisance because I am build an equation and I need to then invert it. If there are absolute values, then things get very tricky, by which I mean impossible to solve.

This function (regardless of whether you view it as a closed-form equation or not) can't be inverted. f(9) = f(3) = 0, so what would f^-1(0) be?
 


Terribly sorry, I misspoke/posted. By "invert," I meant not the function, but the final equation that I'm working on.
 


scikidus said:
Terribly sorry, I misspoke/posted. By "invert," I meant not the function, but the final equation that I'm working on.

Yes, but inverting the final equation will involve inverting that special function.
 
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Actually, I've decided that using the characteristic function of 0 essentially allows you to build piecewise functions, so perhaps you can simply invert piecewise.
 
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If your function only needs to be defined over the integers, you can try

[tex]f(n) = \frac{\sin \pi n}{n}[/tex]
 

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