Duration of Equilibrium Reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the duration of a reversible reaction reaching equilibrium, specifically the reaction A <--> B, given initial conditions and changes in concentration over time. The scope includes theoretical considerations of reaction kinetics and mathematical modeling.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of "duration" in the context of equilibrium, noting that reactions continue to occur even at equilibrium and that the approach to equilibrium is asymptotic.
  • Another participant argues that there is insufficient data to determine the order of the reaction, which is necessary to select the appropriate equation for calculating reaction progress.
  • A participant proposes a set of recursive equations to model the changes in concentrations of A and B over time, suggesting a specific mathematical approach to track the reaction's progress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the provided data and the interpretation of the reaction's duration. There is no consensus on how to approach the problem or what the correct method for calculation should be.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of information regarding the order of the reaction and the assumptions made about the kinetics involved. The discussion highlights the complexity of modeling reaction dynamics without complete data.

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I am wondering the answer to the following question, and what equation you would use to solve it:
What is the duration of the following reversible reaction?

A <--> B
You have 10 moles of A and zero moles of B.
After 1 minute, 25% of A turns into B, and 50% of B turns into A.

My class calculated it to be 5 minutes by calculating how much A and B there will be after each minute until it reached equilibrium (6.667 moles A, 3.333 moles B), but I believe the correct answer will require calculus, but I don't know how.
 
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This depends on what you mean by "duration". The reaction keeps occurring even in equilibrium and the approach to equilibrium is asymptotic (the difference from equilibrium decays exponentially).
 
Actually there is not enough data to answer the problem. You are given two points - concentrations at the beginning and concentrations after one minute. That's not enough to determine the order of the reaction, and depending on what the order is, equation required to calculate reaction progress is different.

In most cases the concentration changes - as Dale said - asymptotically. The only case when it is not true is for the 0th order reactions, where the reaction speed is not dependent on the concentration (although this can get complicated, as for low concentrations such reactions often stop following the 0th order kinetics).

Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_equation
 
I think what they meant for you to do was this:
$$A^{n+1}=A^n+(-0.25A^n+0.5B^n)$$
$$B^{n+1}=B^n+(0.25A^n-0.5B^n)$$
where n is the number of minutes that have passed. These equations reduce to:
$$A^{n+1}=0.75A^n+0.5B^n$$
$$B^{n+1}=0.25A^n+0.5B^n$$subject to ##A^0=1## and ##B^0=0##, so

After 1 minute:
##A=0.75##
##B=0.25##

After 2 minutes:
##A=0.6875##
##B= 0.3125##

ETC
 

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