Dymanics, F=ma, F function of position & velocity (it's really important)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving an energy-absorbing bumper for a car, where the force exerted on the car is a function of its position and velocity. The original poster seeks to prove a relationship between the car's position and time, starting from the force equation and applying Newton's second law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods to relate the force equation to the car's motion, including substitutions and integration attempts. Questions arise about the validity of their approaches, particularly regarding the separation of variables and the application of derivatives.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the differential equation that needs to be solved, while others express confusion about their attempts and the simplification process. There is a recognition that checking the given solution against the differential equation is a key step, although explicit consensus on the approach has not been reached.

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Participants note the importance of initial conditions and the need to verify boundary values, as well as the constraints of the problem that may affect their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the pressure to perform well in the context of their coursework.

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Homework Statement


The proposed design for an energy- absorbing bumper for a car exerts a decelerating force of magnitude bs + cv on the car when it collides with a rigid obstacle, where s is the distance the car travels from the point where it contacts the obstacle and v is the car's velocity. Thus the force exerted on the car by the bumper is a function of the car's position and velocity.

(a) Suppose that at t = 0 the car contacts the obstacle with initial velocity u. Prove that the car's position is given as a function of time by s (equation provided below). To do this, first show that this equation satisfies Newton's second law. Then confirm that it satisfies the initial conditions s = 0 and v = u at t = 0

(there's also (b) but maybe I could do it by myself if this is solved)

Homework Equations



F = bs + cv

[tex]s = \frac{u}{2h}[e^{-(d-h)t} - e^{-(d+h)t}][/tex]

[tex]d = \frac{c}{2m}[/tex]

[tex]h = \sqrt{d^2 - \frac{b}{m}}[/tex]

b and c are constants

The Attempt at a Solution


Well I first tried substituting with s in bs + cv to try and simplify it to ma then I realized there wouldn't be an a in the left hand side of the equation, so I substituted a with dv/dt and I integrated both sides, but I was still unable to simplify it (because of the es!) - (Edit: I obviously couldn't have integrated correctly because I can't separate the variables). Is this even the way to go about it? I tried starting with bs + cv = ma and again substituting with a = v dv/ds but I was unable to separate the variables. Please help? It's important.
I also tried differentiating s with respect to time and then substituting v in bs + cv with the result, but I still can't simplify.
 
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The Attempt at a Solution


Well I first tried substituting with s in bs + cv to try and simplify it to ma then I realized there wouldn't be an a in the left hand side of the equation

That seems a bit silly, because you would have

[tex]a = \frac{d^2s}{dt^2}[/tex]

on the right hand side.
 
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I was trying with a = v dv/ds, couldn't separate the variables.
Edit: No sorry, first time I tried a = dv/dt, and I'd already substituted s with f(t) so there was no s in the right hand side. I probably did something wrong, because I still can't separate the variables.

So how do you solve it in a way that's not silly?!
 
The equation of motion you need to solve is:

[tex] m\frac{d^2s}{dt^2}=bs+cv=bs+c \frac{ds}{dt} \Rightarrow m\frac{d^2s}{dt^2}-c \frac{ds}{dt}-bs=0[/tex]

Does this differential equation look more familiar?

Edit: Reading your question again you do not have to solve this yourself. All you have to do is check if the given solution is a solution to the differential equation given above given the boundary values in your problem.
 
Wattever said:
So how do you solve it in a way that's not silly?!

Just what I said. Acceleration is the second derivative of the position function, which you have been given already.
 
Thanks a lot, I get it now... But I still can't do it :(
Just to make sure this is what I'm supposed to be doing, I get v and a then I simplify this

[tex] m\frac{d^2s}{dt^2}-c \frac{ds}{dt}-bs[/tex]

And then the co-efficients of each e are supposed to add up to zero, right? They don't, I spent hours yesterday doing it over and over by hand, and today on CAS and it's not zero. The co-efficient of

[tex]e^{ht-dt}[/tex]

is

[tex]\frac{bu}{2\sqrt{\frac{c^2}{4m^2}-\frac{b}{m}}} + cu - \frac{\sqrt{\frac{c^2}{4m^2}-\frac{b}{m}}mu}{2} - \frac{3uc^2}{8\sqrt{\frac{c^2}{4m^2}-\frac{b}{m}}m}[/tex]

I realize this is kinda trivial but somehow my grade in introductory mechanics is hanging on it. What am I missing?
 
It worked when I put -a! :D

So this is solved now, but I can't edit the title
 

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