E and B Fields of Monochromatic Plane Waves

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the electromagnetic fields of monochromatic plane waves, specifically focusing on a 560 nm light beam that is polarized in the (y-z) plane and propagates perpendicular to the plane defined by the equation x+y+z=0. Participants are tasked with determining the electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields associated with this wave, utilizing the intensity of the beam and relevant equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find the wave vector k and its relationship to the polarization vector n. There is uncertainty about the correct expression for the unit vector perpendicular to the plane x+y+z=0 and how to derive it. Questions arise regarding the appropriate form of the polarization vector and its implications for the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the uniqueness of the unit vector perpendicular to the given plane and the relationship between k and n. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the exact expressions for these vectors, and further exploration of the gradient method to find the normal vector is suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to express the vectors in a specific form and the implications of the plane's equation on the direction of propagation. The discussion reflects a mix of mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification without definitive resolutions.

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Homework Statement



560 nm light is collimated and passes as a parallel beam in a direction perpendicular to the ##x+y+z=0## plane. It is polarized parallel to the ##(y-z)## plane. Treating it as a plane wave, what are the real E and B fields?

Intensity of the beam is ##1 \ mW/cm^2##. Make your expressions for the fields as numerical as possible.

Homework Equations



##E(r, t) = E_0 \ cos (k.r - \omega t) \hat{n}##

##B(r,t) = \frac{1}{c} E_0 \ cos (k.r - \omega t) (\hat{k} \times \hat{n})##

Where ##k## is the propagation/wave vector, and ##\hat{n}## is the direction of popularization.

##k=\frac{\omega}{\lambda f}=\frac{\omega}{c}= \frac{2 \pi}{\lambda}##

Using the following relationship, I used the given intensity to work out the amplitude:

##I=\frac{1}{2} c \epsilon_0 E_0^2 \implies E_0 = \sqrt{\frac{2I}{c \epsilon_0}} = 7.685 \times 10^{-10} \ V/m##

The Attempt at a Solution



So, to find ##k.r## and ##k \times \hat{n}##, I need the equation for a plane perpendicular to the ##x+y+z=0## plane. But how can I find this equation when there are infinitely many such vectors? :confused:

For instance the wave vector is ##k= \omega/c \ \hat{k}##, where ##\hat{k}## is a unit vector in the direction of the vector perpendicular to the ##x+y+z=0## plane. I also need that in order to work out the cross product ##\hat{k} \times \hat{n}## for the B field.

As for the polarization ##\hat{n}## (parallel to y-z plane), would the unit vector be ##\hat{n} = \frac{\hat{y}+\hat{z}}{\sqrt{2}}##? Or does the plus sign need to be changed to a minus? Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.
 
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roam said:
But how can I find this equation when there are infinitely many such vectors?
No, there is only one unit vector perpendicular to a given plane. Given ##\lambda## and the unit vector associated with the propagation, ##k## will be uniquely defined.
After finding such unit vector, use the fact that ##k## must be perpendicular to ##n##.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
No, there is only one unit vector perpendicular to a given plane. Given ##\lambda## and the unit vector associated with the propagation, ##k## will be uniquely defined.
After finding such unit vector, use the fact that ##k## must be perpendicular to ##n##.

Yes, we need to have ##\hat{n} . k = 0##. But what is the actual expression for this unit vector (that is perpendicular to ##x+y+z=0##)?

(I believe it should be of the form ##\hat{k}=(a\hat{x}+b\hat{y}+c\hat{z})/\sqrt{3}##, I then need to write ##k=\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda} \hat{k}##).

And what expression do you use for ##\hat{n}##? Is it ##(\hat{y} + \hat{z})/\sqrt{2}## or ##(\hat{y} - \hat{z})/\sqrt{2}## ? :confused:
 
roam said:
Yes, we need to have ##\hat{n} . k = 0##. But what is the actual expression for this unit vector (that is perpendicular to ##x+y+z=0##)?
Note that you can view the expression ## x+y+z=0## as a dot product between two vectors which are perpendicular to each other.
Another alternative will be apparent if you are more familiar with the use of gradient ##\nabla## to find a normal vector w.r.t. to a surface.
Let's first solve the vector ##k##, after that it should be easy to find the correct ##\hat{n}##.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Note that you can view the expression ## x+y+z=0## as a dot product between two vectors which are perpendicular to each other.
Another alternative will be apparent if you are more familiar with the use of gradient ##\nabla## to find a normal vector w.r.t. to a surface.
Let's first solve the vector ##k##, after that it should be easy to find the correct ##\hat{n}##.

How should I use the gradient ##\nabla## here? What are we differentiating?
 
It depends on which one is easier to you for use, if you think you can find the required unit vector for ##k## by viewing ##x+y+z=0## as a dot product as I said above then take this way.
As for the gradient, read this http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalVector.html.
 

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