Earth's earliest forest discovered in SW England

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The discussion centers on the discovery of Earth's earliest forest in Southwest England, highlighting its significance in understanding the ecology of ancient forests approximately 390 million years ago. Participants share insights related to fossilized trees and historical geological figures, as well as personal observations of fossilized trees in different locations.

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  • Some participants note that the discovery represents the oldest clear example of fossil forests, surpassing previous finds in New York State dating back to about 385 million years.
  • One participant comments on the size of the trees, likening a forest of 10ft trees to a large orchard.
  • Another participant shares a personal experience of observing fossilized trees in Tiera del Fuego, where the cold climate prevents decay.
  • There is a mention of Charles Lyell's connection to the paper linked in the discussion, highlighting his role as a pioneer in geology and his relationship with Charles Darwin.
  • A further aside discusses the naming of mountains in Tasmania, which reflects historical debates surrounding Darwin's theory of evolution.

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Participants express various viewpoints and personal anecdotes related to fossilized trees and historical figures, but there is no consensus on the implications or interpretations of the findings discussed.

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The discussion includes references to specific geological locations and historical figures, but lacks detailed exploration of the scientific methods or implications of the findings.

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In this paper we report evidence for a previously unrecognized cladoxylopsid forest landscape, archived within the Eifelian Hangman Sandstone Formation of Somerset and Devon, SW England. This unit has previously been considered palaeobotanically depauperate but is here shown to contain the earliest fossil evidence for such trees in the British record, as well as the oldest known evidence globally for the relative position of standing trees:
Paper here. https://www.lyellcollection.org/doi/abs/10.1144/jgs2023-204

Article here https://phys.org/news/2024-03-earth-earliest-forest-revealed-somerset.html

"The record of fossil forests, where tree bases are preserved where they were living, so far dates back to those discovered in New York State, at Cairo and Gilboa at about 385 million years.

"Although the area of rock exposure is limited and dangerous to access, our new discovery is the oldest clear example of such a geological phenomenon known to date and it speaks directly to the ecology of the oldest forests 390 million years ago."
 
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A forest of 10ft trees sounds like a big orchard!
 
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Not as old, but I saw some fossilised trees, and alongside were lying actual trees of the same sort. This was in Tiera del Fuego, where it is so cold the trees do not decay but lie where they fall, one upon the other in great piles.
 

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As an aside, I have just noticed that the paper I linked is part of the Lyell collection. That would Charles Lyell, one of the pioneers of Geology and friend of Charles Darwin ( they had a few fall outs along the way.)
 
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