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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of the Earth's magnetic field at the location of electrons trapped in the Van Allen belts. The original poster presents a problem involving the energy of electrons and their motion in a magnetic field, specifically using the relationship between radius, mass, charge, velocity, and magnetic field strength.

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  • Participants explore the use of kinetic energy to find velocity and then apply that to the magnetic field equation. There are questions about unit conversions and the correctness of calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the energy conversion from keV to joules.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on calculations and unit handling. Some have noted discrepancies in results and are seeking clarification on the approach. There is no explicit consensus on the final answer, but there is a general agreement on the expected range of the Earth's magnetic field strength.

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Participants mention the need to convert all values to MKS units and highlight the importance of considering the location of the Van Allen belts relative to the Earth's surface when discussing magnetic field strength.

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High above the surface of the Earth, charged particles (such as electrons and protons) can become trapped in the Earth's magnetic field in regions known as Van Allen belts. A typical electron in a Van Allen belt has an energy of 45 keV and travels in a roughly circular orbit with an average radius of 200 m. What is the magnitude of the Earth's magnetic field where such an electron orbits

So, the only equation I can think of that might be useful is r = mv/(qB) where solving for B would give me the magnetic field of the earth...I cannot figure out though, what the velocity of the particle is...

I thought it might be 45keV = 1/2mv^2 with m as the mass of an electron, but solving for v and plugging it into the above equation, did not yield a correct answer...

This problem is listed as an 'easy' one in our book, so I think its just something simple that cannot be clicking...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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did you do the computation right? how much energy is 45keV in joules?
 
1 keV = 1.783 x 10-33J of energy...i am pretty sure i did that part right

Our professor also gave us the fact that the mass of e = 511kev/C2

So that would mean
(1/2)mv^2 = 45
v^2 = (45/0.5x511)
v = 0.41967

Then B = (511KeV)(0.41967)/(1.60X10-19)(200)
Which means B = 6.7016e18 T

Which is way to high...plus our answer is supposed to be in uT.

Am I missing a unit conversion somewhere
 
1eV= 1.6e-19J
1.6e-19 (times) 45000= 7.2e-15J

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what is (1/2)mv^2=45?

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b field of Earth is about 10^-4T so like 100uT
 
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I am trying to solve for the velocity correct...so I can use it in my equation for objects rotating around a circle...

So (1/2)mv^2 = KE = 45keV

I would then convert this all to joules...then I would have the velocity which could then be plugged into the equation: r = mv/(qB) so I could then solve for B...

Maybe I am approaching this wrong then??
 
show all the work step by step because I am getting an answer in uT and a much different velocity from you.
 
You are being really sloppy with units. For simplicity convert everything to MKS, eg 511kev/c^2=9.1x10^(-31) kg.
 
Thanks guys...i was being sloppy with the units...long day of work, class, then volunteering, plus an exam to study for tonight...much appreciated
 
what was the answer?
 
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ice109 said:
what was the answer?

I got a few microtesla. Probably about the same as you.
 
  • #11
Dick said:
I got a few microtesla. Probably about the same as you.

ya but that's not the b field of the earth
 
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The Earth's magnetic field (at the surface) is tens of microtesla. So we're in the right ballpark and the van Allen belt is not at the surface.
 
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Dick said:
The Earth's magnetic field (at the surface) is tens of microtesla. So we're in the right ballpark and the van Allen belt is not at the surface.

oh yea wasn't thinking that it is above the surface
 
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ice109 said:
oh yea wasn't thinking that it is above the surface

Good thing for us, yea? 45KeV electrons aren't healthy. :rolleyes:
 
  • #15
Dick said:
Good thing for us, yea? 45KeV electrons aren't healthy. :rolleyes:

is the van allen belt where the aurora happens?
 
  • #16
Where aurora happen is where the van Allen belts dump excess electrons when they are disturbed. The electrons follow the field lines down to the poles. The aurora areas are nowhere near the belts proper.
 

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