Easy collision question, momentum and energy

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a spring and two boxes on a frictionless incline. Box A, with a mass of 120 kg, is compressed against a spring (k=4200 N/m) and released, colliding with Box B (mass 80 kg) after traveling 2.0 m. The conservation of momentum and energy principles are applied to determine how far the combined mass travels up the ramp before sliding back down. Key equations include momentum conservation (MaVa + MbVb = MaVaf + MbVbf) and energy conservation (KE1f + KE2f = KE1i + KE2i).

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A spring (k=4200N/m) and box A (mA=120kg) are on a frictionless incline, as shown below . Box A is pressed against the spring such that it is compressed 1.0m, and then released. Box A then hits, and sticks to box B, 1.0m farther up the ramp from the uncompressed position of the spring (massB=80kg) (i.e. the collision happens 2.0m total distance from A's initial position). Box B is held at rest until it is struck by A, then it is free to move. How far up the ramp will the two of them travel up the ramp before starting to slide back down?

Homework Equations


MaVa+MbVb=MaVaf+MbVbf

The Attempt at a Solution


h=2sin30
h=1
v=1/2*(m+m)=(M+m)gh
 
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PoohBah716 said:
A spring (k=4200N/m) and box A (mA=120kg) are on a frictionless incline, as shown below . Box A is pressed against the spring such that it is compressed 1.0m, and then released. Box A then hits, and sticks to box B, 1.0m farther up the ramp from the uncompressed position of the spring (massB=80kg) (i.e. the collision happens 2.0m total distance from A's initial position). Box B is held at rest until it is struck by A, then it is free to move. How far up the ramp will the two of them travel up the ramp before starting to slide back down?

Homework Equations


MaVa+MbVb=MaVaf+MbVbf

The Attempt at a Solution


h=2sin30
h=1
v=1/2*(m+m)=(M+m)gh
what is m and M and how you are trying it
v=1/2*(m+m)=(M+m)gh ... your this equation has dimensional problem
try to do conservation of momentum to find out the velocity of A+B after collision. then you can find the distance as energy conservation will hold after the collision.
 
P1=p2
M1(Vf-Vi)=-M2(Vf-Vi)
KE1f+KE2f=KE1i+KE2i
1/2M1f+V1f^2+1/2M2fV2f^2=1/2M1iV1i^2+1/2M2V2f^2

Could you walk me through this problem, I am getting stuck.
 
PoohBah716 said:
Could you walk me through this problem, I am getting stuck.

actually we can only provide hints and you have to do the work.
PoohBah716 said:
A spring (k=4200N/m) and box A (mA=120kg) are on a frictionless incline, as shown below . Box A is pressed against the spring such that it is compressed 1.0m, and then released. Box A then hits, and sticks to box B, 1.0m farther up the ramp from the uncompressed position of the spring (massB=80kg) (i.e. the collision happens 2.0m total distance from A's initial position). Box B is held at rest until it is struck by A, then it is free to move. How far up the ramp will the two of them travel up the ramp before starting to slide back down?

initially the spring will give push when released - one can calculate the velocity acquired by this push by mass A- you have k given so that's not a problem- the spring energy will be spent in providing kinetic energy as well as potential energy of massA
now this massA is hitting B at rest so equate momentum of A and B before the hit with momentum of two body combined with the unknown velocity.
this equality can give you the final velocity of the combined mass.
but one must take care when equating energy of this mass going uphill to the velocity zero as it is climbing up also against gravitational pull.
 
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