Echelon form and set of solutions.

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The discussion revolves around a system of linear equations involving a parameter k. Participants are examining the conditions under which the system may have no solutions, a single solution, or an infinite number of solutions based on the value of k.

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  • Participants explore the implications of different values of k on the solution set of the system. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the reduced form of the matrix and the impact of dividing by k. There is also discussion about the conditions needed for infinite solutions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning their methods and assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of reduced forms and the conditions for solutions, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the reduced matrix or the implications of k.

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There is a specific focus on the case where k equals zero and its effect on the solution set. Participants are also considering the implications of their row operations and the potential for multiple valid reduced forms.

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Hello,

I have the following system of linear equations -

kx + 3y -z = 1
x + 2y - z = 2
-kx + y + 2z = -1

I have reduced it to

1 2 -1 : 2
0 1 1/4 : 0
0 0 (7-6k)/7k : (8-4k)/7

assuming k ≠ 0.

I would now like to be able to determine for what values of k will the system have no solutions, a single solution, and an infinite number of solutions.

Would it be correct to say that there would be no solution for k=7/6, and a single solution for every k ≠ 7/6 (therefore, the system will never have an infinite number of solutions)?
 
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peripatein said:
Hello,

I have the following system of linear equations -

kx + 3y -z = 1
x + 2y - z = 2
-kx + y + 2z = -1

I have reduced it to

1 2 -1 : 2
0 1 1/4 : 0
0 0 (7-6k)/7k : (8-4k)/7

assuming k ≠ 0.

I would now like to be able to determine for what values of k will the system have no solutions, a single solution, and an infinite number of solutions.

Would it be correct to say that there would be no solution for k=7/6, and a single solution for every k ≠ 7/6 (therefore, the system will never have an infinite number of solutions)?

Sounds correct to me.
 
What about k different than 0? I had to divide by k whilst reducing the matrix. How come it when k=0 the system still yields a solution? Is it possible that the system will never have an infinite number of solutions? (seems like something is amiss with my reduced matrix/method)
 
peripatein said:
What about k different than 0? I had to divide by k whilst reducing the matrix. How come it when k=0 the system still yields a solution? Is it possible that the system will never have an infinite number of solutions? (seems like something is amiss with my reduced matrix/method)

Sure you divided by k. You still have a k in the denominator. But you can get rid of it by multiplying the last row by k. If you really want to you can also put k=0 in the original matrix and check there is no problem. To get an infinite number of solutions you need a row of zeros. Can't happen here.
 
But what if I didn't perform the row operations properly? I went over them and yet mistakes are always possible. May you please confirm that I got it aright? I mean, that my reduced form is indeed the reduced form of that matrix?
 
peripatein said:
But what if I didn't perform the row operations properly? I went over them and yet mistakes are always possible. May you please confirm that I got it aright? I mean, that my reduced form is indeed the reduced form of that matrix?

There's more than one reduced form, you can do it a number of different ways. But my way also showed no solutions for k=7/6.
 
Thank you very much, Dick
 

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