Effect of time dilation on a satellite

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of time dilation as it relates to a fictional satellite design intended for terraforming projects. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on time experienced by occupants of a high-speed satellite compared to people on Earth, as well as the feasibility of communication and the effects of spinning structures on time perception.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that time dilation would allow for significant differences in aging between those on a high-speed satellite and those on Earth, particularly at speeds approaching light speed.
  • Another participant notes that astronauts on the ISS age slightly faster than people on Earth due to gravitational time dilation, which complicates the understanding of time dilation effects.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy requirements for maintaining a high-speed orbit, with one participant arguing that the gravitational forces would necessitate significant energy input to avoid slingshotting into space.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of relaying information between objects operating at different time speeds, with one suggesting that while communication is possible, it would not be in real time due to distance.
  • One participant proposes a design involving a spinning ring satellite, theorizing that it could allow for different time experiences based on altitude within the structure.
  • Another participant questions the practicality of using human operators over robotic systems, suggesting that the narrative could involve the human mind being faster than computers under certain conditions.
  • Further speculation includes the effects of centrifugal forces on occupants of a spinning satellite and how this might influence observations of time and motion within the structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and implications of time dilation in the proposed satellite scenario. There is no consensus on the practicality of the design or the extent of time dilation effects, indicating multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the energy requirements for maintaining high-speed orbits, the effects of gravitational versus velocity-based time dilation, and the speculative nature of the proposed satellite design and its operational mechanics.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in science fiction concepts involving time dilation, relativistic physics, and speculative engineering designs may find this discussion engaging.

  • #31
mfb said:
Correct. As Earth's gravitational field is weak you can treat both time dilation effects as independent. Add the velocity/height relation for an orbit and you can get a closed formula. Here is a graph. At 3000 km clocks run at the same speed as on the ground (for circular orbits). Below they run slower, above they run higher.

I thought I'd seen the calculation once that the ISS was high enough. Apparently not. I'll remember that. Thanks.
 
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  • #32
PeroK said:
Is there a calculation for that? I would have thought that in the limit of a very large orbit, the gravitational effect would dominate. And, in the limit of a very low orbit, velocity based time dilation would dominate.
For a clock in a circular orbit , the time dilation is
$$ t_0 = t_f \sqrt{1- \frac{3GM}{r c^2}}$$
when r is the orbital radius
Ignoring effects due to the rotation of the Earth, time dilation at the Earth's surface is
$$ t_0 = t_f \sqrt{1- \frac{2GM}{r_e c^2}}$$

with re being the radius of the Earth

$$ t_f \sqrt{1- \frac{3GM}{r c^2}}= t_f \sqrt{1- \frac{2GM}{r_e c^2}}$$
when
$$ r = \frac{3}{2}r_e $$

or the altitude of the orbit is 1/2 Earth radius above the surface of the Earth.
Below that, clocks run slow compared to surface clocks, above it, they run faster.
 
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  • #33
some bloke said:
but that theme has, perhaps, been over-done

Pretty much any theme has been overdone :frown: Only the telling differentiates your iteration from the others. Which is where the challenge of writing arises from, of course, so go with your idea, @some bloke, and make the telling the best it can be. That's always worth reading, no matter how common (or uncommon) the scenario is.
 
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