Effects of HCl Concentration on Magnesium (HCl + Mg)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of hydrochloric acid (HCl) concentration on the reaction with magnesium (Mg) strips. Participants explore the reaction dynamics, the role of ions, and the implications of concentration on reaction rates, while also addressing misconceptions about catalysts.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that higher concentrations of HCl lead to faster reaction rates due to increased availability of H+ ions.
  • Others question how HCl dissociates into H+ and Cl- ions and what initiates the reaction with magnesium.
  • A participant mentions that the reaction occurs at the interface between solid magnesium and liquid HCl, suggesting that surface area and bubble formation may affect the reaction rate.
  • There is a debate about whether HCl acts as a catalyst in the reaction, with some arguing that it accelerates the reaction while others clarify that it is consumed in the process.
  • A participant shares personal experimental observations, noting a lack of distinct changes in reaction rates at varying concentrations, which raises questions about the reliability of their results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that higher concentrations of HCl should increase reaction rates, but there is disagreement regarding the role of HCl as a catalyst, with some asserting it is not a catalyst since it is consumed in the reaction.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the initial conditions required for the reaction to occur and the implications of surface area and stirring on reaction rates. There is also a lack of consensus on the definition and role of catalysts in this context.

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Hi..
Im trying to figure out what the affect of HCl on a magnesium strip at different concentration levels has? I can't figure out a 'scientific' response and therefore can't formulate a hypothesis :/ Any help will be appreciated.
 
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What do you think is going to happen, even if you cannot justify it yet?

The reaction between Magnesium metal and Hydrochloric acid is,
Mg (s) + 2 HCl (aq) --> H2 (g) + MgCl2 (aq)

When does this reaction occur? Can the reactants just be located anywhere and this reaction will proceed, or do they need to be combined for something to happen?
How do they ‘combine’ (on a molecular level) when you drop the Mg into the HCl solution?
 
Thanks for a quick reply..
A magnesium strip will be put into an (aq) HCl at different concentration levels.. The higher the concentration the faster the rate of decomposition.. but I cannot justify why.. :S
 
Yes, the more concentrated HCl solution should react with the Magnesium at a higher rate.

In addition to the questions I asked above,
Think how a concentrated solution of HCl differs from a dilute solution of HCl in terms of the number of H+ ions available to react with the Mg.
 
Right so, increasing the concentration of the HCl (aq) solution will increase the H+ ions available..:S

But my main query is..
Does the HCl split up to form H+ and Cl- ions which then react with the Mg to form MgCl2, if so what causes this separation to occur.. Is it simply because 'Mg wants two electrons' or something else.. Sorry I'm just not understanding how initially the reaction begins...
 
Hydrochloric acid is a strong electrolyte; it will split up completely into H+ and Cl- ions in solution.

The Chloride ions (Cl-) are merely spectator ions in this reaction, it is the H+ ions which are reacting with the Magnesium metal.

The ionic form of the reaction is:
Mg (s) + 2 H+ (aq) + 2 Cl- (aq) --> H2 (g) + Mg+2 (aq) + 2 Cl- (aq)
Canceling out the Chloride ions (since they are spectators) gives us this net ionic reaction,
Mg (s) + 2 H+ (aq) --> H2 (g) + Mg+2 (aq)
 
I tried this reaction at school becasue we were testing out the new pH probes that we got. We had HCl up to 6M and we used varying amounts, however we did not see a distinct change. But that's not to say that it should show a linear change, becasue it should. Chances are we just got some bad acid.
 
There are some good reasons that you would not see large differences. First, the reaction is between a solid and a liquid. The reaction happens at the interface. The reaction rate is therefore dependent on surface area of the magnesium ribbon which is steadily growing smaller. The reaction generates bubbles on the surface that grow in size and effectively shield a significant area of the magnesium from the solution before detatching. Finally, unless the reaction is very strongly stirred, you are relying on the fairly weak currents generated by the upwelling bubbles to deliver fresh HCl solution to the surface of the Mg ribbon.
 
Would the HCl be considered a catalyst in this, because the more Hydrochloric acid you add, the quicker the reaction, and catalyst's are meant to speed up reactions. So to repeat, would the Hydrochloric acid be a catalyst in mixing HCl + Mg?
 
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You are aware of the fact thread is 3 years old? It would be better to start a new thread, than to revive an old one. We don't like necromancers here.

What is a complete definition of catalyst?
 
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Does HCl meet both conditions mentioned in the definition?
 
  • #13
from what i can tell, yes it does, as the HCl is not changed at the end of the reaction and it seems to accelerate the reaction, so it would be fair on my part to conclude that YES, HCl is a catalyst when mixed with Mg.
 
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HSStudent2014 said:
the HCl is not changed at the end of the reaction

What is the reaction equation?
 
  • #15
MG+2HCl -> MGCl2 + H2...
Ohhh.. Thanks Borek. Because it IS changed by the end, it has broken up. Therefore, it is NOT a catalyst, as it does not match the definition of a catalyst.. Unless my chemical equation is wrong (which is completely possible), in which case, I would need the correct equation in order to determine if the HCl is a catalyst or not.
 
  • #16
Now, do you know why I asked these questions? :-p

HCl is one of the reagents, it is being consumed in the reaction.
 
  • #17
Thanks Borek :D
 

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