Efficiency map of the drive train of a car

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of the drive train of an electric car, specifically focusing on the relationship between speed, acceleration, and efficiency as illustrated in a graph. Participants explore how this relationship can be used to determine average efficiency from raw data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the relationship between speed and acceleration in the context of efficiency, suggesting that the plot illustrates this relationship.
  • Another participant explains that the plot can be used to calculate required power based on air drag and acceleration, and that the ratio of this power to the actual power needed gives an efficiency measure.
  • A participant questions whether the graph uses three variables (speed, acceleration, and efficiency) or if it is merely a color point map of velocity and acceleration.
  • It is noted that to determine average efficiency, data on how the car is used is necessary.
  • One participant provides an example of reading the graph, indicating that a specific point can show an efficiency of about 90% at a given speed and acceleration.
  • Another participant mentions that the formula for calculating required power depends on the car's mass, size, and geometric shape.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the graph and its variables, indicating that there is no consensus on whether it represents three variables or just two. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the graph's representation and the formula for required power.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific car characteristics for calculating power and efficiency, as well as the need for usage data to determine average efficiency.

bradyj7
Messages
117
Reaction score
0
Hi there,

I'm reading a report about the efficiency of the drive train of an electric car. The author recorded the speed and acceleration of the car over a period of time and created the graph below to illustrate the efficiency.

Could anybody tell me what the relationship is between the speed/acceleration plot a car in general? Why would one use this plot to illustrate the efficiency and can one determine an average efficiency from the raw data?

Thanks for your help

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54057365/All/efficiency.JPG
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Engineering news on Phys.org
bradyj7 said:
Could anybody tell me what the relationship is between the speed/acceleration plot a car in general?
It is a relation between speed, acceleration and efficiency. For each point in the diagram, you can calculate the required power (based on the air drag and acceleration), and measure the power the car really needs. That ratio gives an efficiency.

To get an average efficiency, you need some data how the car is used.
 
Hello mfb,

Thanks for your reply. Are you saying that the author used 3 variables when plotting this graph? speed, acceleration and efficiency? I thought that it was just a colour point map of the velocity and acceleration?

Would you know the formula to calculate the required power?

Many thanks
 
Are you saying that the author used 3 variables when plotting this graph?
Right.

As an example: If you want to know the efficiency at 40km/s with an acceleration of 1m/s, you look at the corresponding position in the graph: The area is red/dark red, indicating an efficiency of about 90%.

Would you know the formula to calculate the required power?
Depends on the car itself: its mass, size and geometric shape.
 
I understand it now. Thanks for the help.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
6K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
9K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
26
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K