Efficient Hot & Cold water combination for bathing

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The discussion revolves around the energy efficiency of heating water for bathing purposes, specifically exploring the optimal combination of hot and cold water to achieve a comfortable bathing temperature. Participants consider various factors such as temperature, volume, and energy loss in the context of both theoretical and practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests heating water to a higher temperature (T1) and mixing it with cold water to achieve a comfortable temperature (T0), questioning the energy efficiency of this method.
  • Another participant argues that energy losses are proportional to temperature and proposes generating water that is just hot enough for use without needing to dilute it with cold water, emphasizing safety and efficiency.
  • A later reply reiterates the importance of minimizing the temperature of heated water to reduce energy loss, suggesting that mixing calculations should be based on mass rather than volume.
  • Some participants highlight that hotter water loses heat faster, advocating for better thermal insulation of storage tanks and pipes to improve efficiency.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of using larger volumes of warm water versus hotter water, with considerations of thermal losses in pipes and the frequency of water usage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the most energy-efficient method for heating water, with no consensus reached on the optimal approach or specific equations to support their claims.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding temperature, volume, and energy loss, but these assumptions remain unresolved and depend on specific conditions such as the type of heating system and insulation used.

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Generally for bathing purpose, we heat water to higher temperature say T1 than the temperature at which body is comfortable say T0 (is T0 = 70 degree Celsius?) & add some quantity of cold water to it to have the temperature of water = T0. Is the process energy efficient?
What is the best combination of hot & cold water (quantities & temperature) so that least amount of energy is spent?
eg, say we require 10 litres of water at temp T0 for comfortable bathing.
So how do we do it, heat 7 litres of water to temp T1 & add 3 litres of cold water at temp T2 to get 10 litres of water at temp T0. But this may not be the energy efficient combination, we might heat 10 litres of water to T0 & spend lesser energy than the above case. So what are the equations & how to know which would be the best combination?
 
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Energy losses are proportional to temperature. The basic principle here should be to generate water that is just hot enough for use without needing to dilute with cold water. This is especially true where hot water is stored for some time waiting for use. This also has the safety advantage of not scalding children.

The only reason to run at a higher temperature than needed is when the capacity of the storage is less than the volume of hot water immediately required.

I believe your mixing calculations should be based on the mass of water, not on volume.
 
Baluncore said:
Energy losses are proportional to temperature. The basic principle here should be to generate water that is just hot enough for use without needing to dilute with cold water This is especially true where hot water is stored for some time waiting for use. This also has the safety advantage of not scalding children.

The only reason to run at a higher temperature than needed is when the capacity of the storage is less than the volume of hot water immediately required.

I believe your mixing calculations should be based on the mass of water, not on volume.

Do you mean that we spend least energy in the case you mentioned? (The basic principle here should be to generate water that is just hot enough for use without needing to dilute with cold water) ?? It will be very helpful if I get equations to support that.
 
Yes, just warm enough is more efficient than hot.
It is probably best analysed from the lost energy viewpoint.

The hotter the water in the reservoir is, the faster it will lose heat. It will do that even if you do not use any water. That is a major inefficiency. Get better thermal insulation on the tank.

When you use hot water it passes along a pipe that absorbs heat and then radiates proportional to the elevation in temperature. Use low thermal capacity pipe material and insulate all hot water pipes.

If you use a greater volume of warm water, than if it were hotter, it will still only heat the pipe to a lower water temperature once. If small quantities of water are used often, pipe thermal loss will be significant. Put the hot water reservoir near the kitchen sink. The distance to a bath or shower can be greater since, more water is used, less often.
 
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