Efficient Method for Extracting Square Root of Complex Expressions

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The discussion revolves around the extraction of the square root from a complex algebraic expression without expanding it. Participants explore methods for simplifying the expression and whether expansion is necessary to reach a solution.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant inquires about extracting the square root of a specific expression without expansion, expressing difficulty with the expansion method.
  • Another participant questions whether the original inquiry is about factoring rather than extracting a square root.
  • Several participants clarify the expression from the book, ensuring they are discussing the same formulation.
  • A participant presents a solution involving substitutions and expansions, leading to a factorization of the expression.
  • The solution provided includes a step-by-step expansion and simplification, ultimately leading to a conclusion that expansion is necessary for solving the problem.
  • A later reply confirms the correctness of the solution presented.

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There is no consensus on whether the square root can be extracted without expansion, as one participant concludes that expansion is necessary, while others initially question the nature of the problem.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem and the necessity of expansion, highlighting the complexity of the algebraic manipulation involved.

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Hello!

Is there a way to extract the square root of this expression without expanding? Please teach me how to go about it.

$4\left((a^2-b^2)cd+ab(c^2-b^2)\right)^2+\left((a^2-b^2)(c^2-b^2)-4abcd\right)^2$

I tried expanding it and it was very laborious and I end up not getting the correct answer.
 
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Hello,
I don't see a square root in the expression. Are you asking us how to factor the expression?
 
suluclac said:
Hello,
I don't see a square root in the expression. Are you asking us how to factor the expression?

Hello! This problem is from a book and it says that I have to extract the square root of the expression.
 
Does the problem from the book say
4((a² - b²)cd + ab(c² - b²))² + ((a² - b²)(c² - b²) - 4abcd)²?
 
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suluclac said:
Does the problem from the book say
4((a² - b²)cd + ab(c² - b²))² = ((a² - b²)(c² - b²) - 4abcd)²?

Here's the screen shot from the book.
 

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I'll take that as a no.
 
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Hello!
I just finished solving the problem!

Here is how I solved it

I let $(a^2-b^2)=x$ and $(c^2-d^2)=y$

Now we have

$4(xcd+yab)^2+(xy-4abcd)^2$

expanding the terms

$4x^2c^2d^2+8xyabcd+4y^2a^2b^2+x^2y^2-8xyabcd+16a^2b^2c^2d^2$

Simplifying

$4x^2c^2d^2+4y^2a^2b^2+x^2y^2+16a^2b^2c^2d^2$

By using factoring

$x^2(4c^2d^2+y^2)+4a^2b^2(y^2+4c^2d^2) = (x^2+4a^2b^2)(4c^2d^2+y^2)$

Substituting the value of x and y$\left((a^2-b^2)^2+4a^2b^2\right) \left((c^2-d^2)^2+4c^2d^2\right)$

By expanding and some simplifications

$(a^4+2a^2b^2+b^4)(c^4+2c^2d^2+d^4)$Both factors are square of binomials

$(a^2+b^2)^2(c^2+d^2)^2$

Taking the square root

$(a^2+b^2)(c^2+d^2)$

I guess expansion is really necessary in this problem.

 
Correct.
 

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