Efficiently Solving a System of Equations for Physics Problems

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations related to a physics problem involving complex exponentials and trigonometric functions. The equations include a linear relationship and a complex equation set to zero, with specific conditions on the variables involved.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss factoring out common terms and transforming the equations into trigonometric forms. Some question the validity of certain steps in the manipulation of the equations, while others suggest examining specific cases to gain insight.

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Several participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, including suggestions to simplify the equations and explore specific values. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods without a clear consensus on a single path forward.

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Participants note the absence of explicit equations or constraints in the homework statement, which may affect the approach to the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the next steps in their solution process.

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Homework Statement



Hi everybody, I am trying to find the solution to this system of equations for a bigger physics problem:

h+k+l=2n+1 with n=0,1,2,3...
ei(π/2)(h+k+l)+ei(π/2)(3h+3k+l)+ei(π/2)(3h+k+3l)+ei(π/2)(h+3k+3l)=0

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



Ihave tried to solve it by taking the common factor ei(π/2) out and trying to solve
e(h+k+l)+e(3h+3k+l)+e(3h+k+3l)+e(h+3k+3l)=0 by using h+k+l=0; then, I arrive to 1+e2k+2h+e2h+2l+e2k+2l=0.

From here I don't know how to keep going, so if anybody could point me what to do next it wolud be very helpfull.

Thanks for reading.
 
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Frank Einstein said:
Ihave tried to solve it by taking the common factor ei(π/2) out and trying to solve
That is a factor of ei(π/2)+x, not of ei(π/2)x.
 
Frank Einstein said:

Homework Statement



Hi everybody, I am trying to find the solution to this system of equations for a bigger physics problem:

h+k+l=2n+1 with n=0,1,2,3...
ei(π/2)(h+k+l)+ei(π/2)(3h+3k+l)+ei(π/2)(3h+k+3l)+ei(π/2)(h+3k+3l)=0
To make these equal to zero, you need to enforce conditions on the periodic functions--both real and imaginary.
##\cos( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2} ) + \cos( \frac{ \pi(3h+3k+l)}{2} )+\cos( \frac{ \pi(3h+k+3l)}{2} )+\cos( \frac{ \pi(h+3k+3l)}{2} ) =0##
and
##\sin( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2} ) + \sin( \frac{ \pi(3h+3k+l)}{2} )+\sin( \frac{ \pi(3h+k+3l)}{2} )+\sin( \frac{ \pi(h+3k+3l)}{2} ) =0.##

From these, you should be able to say something about the cases where this must be true.
 
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Think of these as :
##\cos( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2} ) + \cos( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2} +(h+k)\pi )+\cos( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2}+ (h+l)\pi )+\cos( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2}+(k+l)\pi ) =0##
and
##\sin( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2} ) + \sin( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2} +(h+k)\pi )+\sin( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2}+ (h+l)\pi )+\sin( \frac{ \pi(h+k+l)}{2}+(k+l)\pi ) =0.##
 
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Frank Einstein said:

Homework Statement



Hi everybody, I am trying to find the solution to this system of equations for a bigger physics problem:

h+k+l=2n+1 with n=0,1,2,3...
ei(π/2)(h+k+l)+ei(π/2)(3h+3k+l)+ei(π/2)(3h+k+3l)+ei(π/2)(h+3k+3l)=0

Homework Equations



None

The Attempt at a Solution



Ihave tried to solve it by taking the common factor ei(π/2) out and trying to solve
e(h+k+l)+e(3h+3k+l)+e(3h+k+3l)+e(h+3k+3l)=0 by using h+k+l=0; then, I arrive to 1+e2k+2h+e2h+2l+e2k+2l=0.

From here I don't know how to keep going, so if anybody could point me what to do next it wolud be very helpfull.

Thanks for reading.

Please do not use all bold fonts for your solution; it looks like you are yelling at us!
Mod note: Removed excess bold font

Anyway, if you let ##m = 2n + 1##, and if you note that ##h+k+l = m## implies
\frac{i \pi}{2} (3h+3k+l) = \frac{i \pi}{2} (3h + 3k + 3l - 2l) = \frac{i \pi}{2} 3m - i \pi l,
and so forth, you get a much simpler problem, especially if you multiply through by ##e^{-3 m \pi i/2}##.

I would suggest you look at some of the initial cases ##m = 1, 3, 5, \ldots## separately, until you have gained sufficient insight into the nature of the solution for general odd ##m##.
 
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Thank you very much for your anwsers, guess I will be able to proper solve it.
 

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