Eigenfunctions and dirac notation for a quantum mechanical system.

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanical system characterized by a complete orthonormal set of energy eigenfunctions, |n>, and an operator \widehat{A} associated with an observable. The participants are tasked with finding a complete orthonormal set of eigenfunctions for \widehat{A} and calculating the probability of measuring a specific value after a time t.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the effects of the operator \widehat{A} on combinations of eigenstates, questioning the resulting states and their implications for eigenvalues and eigenvectors.
  • There are attempts to clarify the definitions of eigenvectors and eigenvalues in the context of the operator's action on the states.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationships between the states and the operator, seeking guidance on how to interpret the results.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in exploring the properties of the operator \widehat{A} and its eigenstates. Some guidance has been provided regarding the identification of eigenvectors and their corresponding eigenvalues, but there remains uncertainty and a lack of consensus on certain points.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention difficulties in finding relevant examples in their textbooks and express confusion about the application of bra-ket notation. There is a sense of frustration as some participants feel stuck in their understanding of the concepts being discussed.

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QUESTION
A quantum mechanical system has a complete orthonormal set of energy eigenfunctions,
|n> with associate eigenvalues, En. The operator \widehat{A} corresponds to an observable such that
Aˆ|1> = |2>
Aˆ|2> = |1>
Aˆ|n> = |0>, n ≥ 3
where |0> is the null ket. Find a complete orthonormal set of eigenfunctions for
\widehat{A}. The observable is measured and found to have the value +1. The system is unperturbed and then after a time t is remeasured . Calculate the probability
that +1 is measured again.


I would really appreciate any guidance on this. I cannot find this in my book at all. I know my teacher has spoken about it bra-ket notation and such. but it never really made sense. where can I find examples of problems like this but not this.
 
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Paintjunkie said:
QUESTION
A quantum mechanical system has a complete orthonormal set of energy eigenfunctions,
|n> with associate eigenvalues, En. The operator \widehat{A} corresponds to an observable such that
Aˆ|1> = |2>
Aˆ|2> = |1>
Aˆ|n> = |0>, n ≥ 3
where |0> is the null ket. Find a complete orthonormal set of eigenfunctions for
\widehat{A}. The observable is measured and found to have the value +1. The system is unperturbed and then after a time t is remeasured . Calculate the probability
that +1 is measured again.


I would really appreciate any guidance on this. I cannot find this in my book at all. I know my teacher has spoken about it bra-ket notation and such. but it never really made sense. where can I find examples of problems like this but not this.

You could start out by telling me what ##{\widehat A}(|1>+|2>)## and ##{\widehat A}(|1>-|2>)## are.
 
Aˆ(|1>+|2>) = |2> + |1> ?
Aˆ(|1>−|2>) = |2> - |1> ? I really don't know
 
I found this I feel like it should help me but I don't know...

For every observable A, there is an operator \hat{A} which acts upon the
wavefunction so that, if a system is in a state described by |ψ>, the
expectation value of A is
<A>= <ψ|\hat{A}|ψ>= ∫ dx ψ*(x) \hat{A} ψ(x)

that integral is from -∞ to ∞
 
ok so I am reading a little more and.

Aˆ(|1>+|2>) = Aˆ|1>+Aˆ|2> ==>α=1, β=1
Aˆ(|1>−|2>) = Aˆ|1>-Aˆ|2> ==>α=1,β=-1

<1|2> = <-2|1>


idk this does not really make sense to me
 
Paintjunkie said:
Aˆ(|1>+|2>) = |2> + |1> ?
Aˆ(|1>−|2>) = |2> - |1> ? I really don't know

Yes, A^(|1>+|2>)=|1>+|2> and A^(|1>-|2>)=|2>-|1>=(-1)*(|1>-|2>). What does that tell about eigenvalues and eigenvectors of A^?
 
that they are linear and Hermitian

or I guess that's for A^...
 
Paintjunkie said:
that they are linear and Hermitian

or I guess that's for A^...

Be more specific. Looking at those two equations I see two eigenvectors of A^ and their corresponding eigenvalues.
 
maybe that En is 1 and 2 ?
 
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Paintjunkie said:
maybe that En is 1 and 2 ?

Noo. x is an eigenvector of A^ if A^(x)=cx for some constant c. What does A^(|1>+|2>)=|1>+|2> tell you?
 
  • #11
is the probability that |1> will give 2 at t=0 |En|2 and that equals 1 ?
 
  • #12
Dick said:
Noo. x is an eigenvector of A^ if A^(x)=cx for some constant c. What does A^(|1>+|2>)=|1>+|2> tell you?

I guess that means that α and β are 1?
 
  • #13
Paintjunkie said:
I guess that means that α and β are 1?

That's still not saying anything about eigenvalues or eigenvectors. Look, A^(|1>+|2>)=|1>+|2> tells me that |1>+|2> is an eigenvector of A^. Why do I say that and what's the corresponding eigenvalue?
 
  • #14
I don't know I give up. thanks for trying man.
 
  • #15
Paintjunkie said:
I don't know I give up. thanks for trying man.

Yeah, something isn't clicking here. But in case you decide to take another crack at it, I'm trying to get you to see that |1>+|2> is an eigenvector of A^ with an eigenvalue of +1 and |1>-|2> is an eigenvector of A^ with an eigenvalue of -1. Review the definition of eigenvector, there's nothing very hard about this part. You are just getting confused by other stuff.
 

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