Eigenfunctions orthogonal in Hilbert space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of orthogonality of eigenfunctions in Hilbert space, exploring its meaning, implications, and the nature of inner products in function spaces. Participants inquire about the dimensionality of Hilbert space and the mathematical framework for defining inner products for functions.

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  • Some participants question how eigenfunctions can be orthogonal in Hilbert space, seeking clarification beyond the definition involving zero inner products.
  • Others assert that orthogonality in this context is strictly defined by the inner product being zero, drawing parallels to geometric interpretations in finite-dimensional spaces.
  • There is a discussion about the dimensionality of Hilbert space, with some stating it can be infinite or non-separable, while others agree it does not have to be infinite dimensional.
  • Several participants express confusion about the concept of taking inner products of functions, questioning its validity compared to vectors.
  • One participant provides a definition of the inner product for functions, indicating that it is typically defined through integration over specified limits, with the integration element varying based on the function's representation.
  • Another participant elaborates on the nature of function spaces as vector spaces, explaining the conditions under which they qualify as such and how inner products apply to them.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the orthogonality of functions and the nature of inner products, with no consensus reached on the clarity of these concepts. Some agree on definitions while others remain confused or seek further clarification.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the application of inner products to functions versus vectors, as well as the implications of dimensionality in Hilbert space. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Hello,

I am having a question regarding how eigenfunctions are orthogonal in Hilbert space, or what does that even mean (other than the inner product is zero). I mean, I know in ##\mathbb {R^{3}}##, vectors are orthogonal when they are right angles to each other.

However, how can functions be "orthogonal", in the sense of being perpendicular, and does Hilbert Space have infinite dimensions?
 
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Maylis said:
I am having a question regarding how eigenfunctions are orthogonal in Hilbert space, or what does that even mean (other than the inner product is zero).

There is no other meaning to it, it simply means the inner product between the functions is zero. The geometrical interpretation for ##\mathbb R^n## is that two orthogonal vectors are at right angle to each other, but really this is also a matter of definition of orthogonality.

Maylis said:
and does Hilbert Space have infinite dimensions?

It can have infinite dimensions, yes. It can even be non-separable. It does not have to be infinite dimensional.
 
But how can you even take the inner product of functions? I thought this was something you did with vectors. For example, what's the inner product of ##f_{1}(x) = x## and ##f_{2}(x) = x^{2}##? This doesn't mean anything to me
 
Maylis said:
But how can you even take the inner product of functions? I thought this was something you did with vectors. For example, what's the inner product of ##f_{1}(x) = x## and ##f_{2}(x) = x^{2}##? This doesn't mean anything to me
For functions, the inner product is usually defined (in physics) as
$$
\langle f, g \rangle \equiv \int_a^b f^* g \, d\tau
$$
where ##a## and ##b## are appropriate limits and the integration element ##d\tau## will depend on how the function is expressed. In 1D, ##d\tau## will usually be ##dx## or ##dp##.
 
Maylis said:
But how can you even take the inner product of functions? I thought this was something you did with vectors. For example, what's the inner product of ##f_{1}(x) = x## and ##f_{2}(x) = x^{2}##? This doesn't mean anything to me

Function spaces can also be vector spaces. As long as you can add functions and multiply them by constants and still be within the function space (with all of the relevant requirements fulfilled), it is a vector space. For example, the identity vector under addition is simply the zero function, for which f(x) = 0 for all x. The inner product that DrClaude mentions fulfils all of the requirements of an inner product (sometimes it will also come with an additional weight function), which you can check by simply ticking off the axioms for an inner product. A function space which is a vector space endowed with an inner product is an inner product space. A Hilbert space is essentially an inner product space where all Cauchy sequences converge to an element in the space.
 

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