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The discussion revolves around understanding the concepts of eigenspaces, kernel, and span in the context of a specific matrix example. Participants seek clarification on definitions, calculations, and the relationships between these concepts, particularly in relation to generalized eigenspaces.

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  • One participant presents a matrix example and questions the meaning of generalized eigenspaces denoted as V_1(2), V_2(2), and V_3(2).
  • Another participant explains that V_1 corresponds to the kernel of (X-2I), V_2 to (X-2I)^2, and V_3 to (X-2I)^3, noting that V_3 equals zero due to the characteristic equation.
  • There is a discussion about the kernel being the set of vectors that satisfy Tv = 0, with examples provided for the calculations of the kernel for each V_i.
  • Participants express confusion about the definitions of kernel and span, and how to derive span from the kernel matrices.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the eigenspace being the kernel of V_1 and the generalized eigenspaces including kernels of V_2 and V_3.
  • One participant seeks further clarification on how the span is derived from the kernel, particularly in relation to the vectors formed from the kernel calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of eigenspaces and kernels but express differing levels of understanding and clarity regarding the calculations and relationships between these concepts. Some questions remain unresolved, particularly regarding the derivation of span from kernel matrices.

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Limitations in understanding definitions and calculations are evident, with some participants indicating a lack of prior knowledge about the terms "kernel" and "span." The discussion reflects varying degrees of familiarity with the concepts involved.

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Hi there, I'm having a bit of a problem understanding eigenspaces, kernel and span. I've searched the net and wikipedia but there doesn't seem to be any clear examples.

I have an example in a book that says this:

Let,
A =
[ 2 2 2 ]
[ 0 2 2 ]
[ 0 0 2 ]

I can see the characteristic polynomial = [itex](X - 2)^3[/itex] so 2 is the only eigenvalue.

It then calculates the generalised eigenspaces: [itex]V_t(2)[/itex]
[itex]V_1(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 2 2 ]
...[ 0 0 2 ]
...[ 0 0 0 ]

The kernel is calculated by row reducing the matrix:

[itex]V_1(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 1 0 ] = span [1]
...[ 0 0 1 ]...[0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0]

[itex]V_2(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 0 1 ] = span [1] [0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [1]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [0]


[itex]V_3(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 0 0 ] = span [1] [0] [0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [1] [0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [0] [1]

that is the end of the example.


so now here are my questions:

QUESTION 1
What does it mean by : [itex]V_1(2)[/itex], [itex]V_2(2)[/itex], [itex]V_3(2)[/itex] etc.

QUESTION 2
What exactly is the kernal in this example and how is the span calculated from the kernal matrices...??

QUESTION 3
which part of this whole question/example is the eigenspace?

thankyou very much. if this could be explained then it would clear most of the confusion on this topic.

:)
 
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I'm confused -- is it just that you don't know the definitions, or is there more to your questions?
 
smoothman said:
Hi there, I'm having a bit of a problem understanding eigenspaces, kernel and span. I've searched the net and wikipedia but there doesn't seem to be any clear examples.

I have an example in a book that says this:

Let,
A =
[ 2 2 2 ]
[ 0 2 2 ]
[ 0 0 2 ]

I can see the characteristic polynomial = [itex](X - 2)^3[/itex] so 2 is the only eigenvalue.

It then calculates the generalised eigenspaces: [itex]V_t(2)[/itex]
[itex]V_1(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 2 2 ]
...[ 0 0 2 ]
...[ 0 0 0 ]

The kernel is calculated by row reducing the matrix:

[itex]V_1(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 1 0 ] = span [1]
...[ 0 0 1 ]...[0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0]

[itex]V_2(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 0 1 ] = span [1] [0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [1]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [0]


[itex]V_3(2) =[/itex]
ker [ 0 0 0 ] = span [1] [0] [0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [1] [0]
...[ 0 0 0 ]...[0] [0] [1]

that is the end of the example.


so now here are my questions:

QUESTION 1
What does it mean by : [itex]V_1(2)[/itex], [itex]V_2(2)[/itex], [itex]V_3(2)[/itex] etc.
[itex]V_1[/itex] is X-2 (more correctly, X-2I), row reduced, [itex]V_2= (X-2I)^2[/itex], row reduced, and [itex]V_3= (X-2I)^3[/itex]. Of course, [itex]V_3= 0[/itex] because X satisfies its "characteristic equation", (X- 2I)3= 0.

QUESTION 2
What exactly is the kernal in this example and how is the span calculated from the kernal matrices...??[/itex]
I don't know what you mean by "the kernel" or "the span". The kernel of any linear matrix, T, is the set of vectors, v, such that Tv= 0. If
[tex]V_1 x= \left[\begin{array}{ccc}0 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 0 & 1\\0 & 0 & 0\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} x \\ y \\ z\end{array}\left]= \left[\begin{array}{c} y \\ z \\ 0\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{c} 0 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{array}\right][/tex]
then we must have y= 0 and z= 0. x can be anything so the kernel consists of vectors of the form (x, 0, 0)= x(1, 0, 0). (1, 0, 0) spans that vector space. Similarly for the other two matrices. I would have expected you to have learned "span" and "kernel" long before you start working with eigenvectors.

QUESTION 3
which part of this whole question/example is the eigenspace?
Eigen space or "generalized eigenspaces"? The eigen space for A itself is the kernel of [itex]V_1[/itex] which is the set of all vectors (x, 0, 0), spanned by (1, 0, 0). The "generalized eigenspaces" include the kernel of [itex]V_2[/itex], all vectors of the form (x, y, 0) which is spanned by (1, 0, 0) and (0, 1, 0) and the kernel of [itex]V_3[/itex] which is all of R3, spanned, of course, by (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), and (0, 0, 1).
 
Hurkyl said:
I'm confused -- is it just that you don't know the definitions, or is there more to your questions?


i don't know the definitions.. i don't know how they got the kernels, the span etc etc
i also would appreciate what the difference between generalised eigenspace and normal eigenspace is? thanx
 
HallsofIvy said:
[itex]V_1[/itex] is X-2 (more correctly, X-2I), row reduced, [itex]V_2= (X-2I)^2[/itex], row reduced, and [itex]V_3= (X-2I)^3[/itex]. Of course, [itex]V_3= 0[/itex] because X satisfies its "characteristic equation", (X- 2I)3= 0.


I don't know what you mean by "the kernel" or "the span". The kernel of any linear matrix, T, is the set of vectors, v, such that Tv= 0. If
[tex]V_1 x= \left[\begin{array}{ccc}0 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 0 & 1\\0 & 0 & 0\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} x \\ y \\ z\end{array}\left]= \left[\begin{array}{c} y \\ z \\ 0\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{c} 0 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{array}\right][/tex]
then we must have y= 0 and z= 0. x can be anything so the kernel consists of vectors of the form (x, 0, 0)= x(1, 0, 0). (1, 0, 0) spans that vector space. Similarly for the other two matrices. I would have expected you to have learned "span" and "kernel" long before you start working with eigenvectors.


Eigen space or "generalized eigenspaces"? The eigen space for A itself is the kernel of [itex]V_1[/itex] which is the set of all vectors (x, 0, 0), spanned by (1, 0, 0). The "generalized eigenspaces" include the kernel of [itex]V_2[/itex], all vectors of the form (x, y, 0) which is spanned by (1, 0, 0) and (0, 1, 0) and the kernel of [itex]V_3[/itex] which is all of R3, spanned, of course, by (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), and (0, 0, 1).


thnx. this was a brilliant explanation :) really helped me :) brilliant
 
oh just one question though.

for V_2(2)
[tex]V_2x= \left[\begin{array}{ccc}0 & 0 & 1 \\0 & 0 & 0\\0 & 0 & 0\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} x \\ y \\ z\end{array}\left]= \left[\begin{array}{c} z \\ 0 \\ 0\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{c} 0 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{array}\right][/tex]

here z must be 0... so x and y can be anything... the kernal therefore consists of the vectors of form: {1,0,0,} and {1,1,0}..
so how does that deduce the span as[tex]\left[\begin{array}{c} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} 0 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{array}\right][/tex]
the vector forms arent the same as the span for me...
please clear this final confusion :)
 
x = t
y = s
z = 0

Therefore, (x,y,z) = (t,s,0) = (t,0,0) + (0,s,0) = t(1,0,0) + s(0,1,0) = span[(1,0,0), (0,1,0)]
 

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