Eigenvalue (and function) of integral equation

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The discussion centers around finding the eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of the integral equation defined by \(f(x) = \lambda\int_0^1 xy^2f(y)dy\). Participants explore the properties of the operator involved and the implications for eigenvalues and eigenfunctions, with a focus on the mathematical reasoning behind their derivations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the eigenvalues are given by \(\frac{1}{\lambda}\) and suggest that solving for \(\lambda\) leads to a specific eigenvalue of \(\frac{1}{4}\).
  • Others argue that the eigenfunction can be expressed as \(f(x) = xA\), where \(A\) is related to the integral of \(f(y)\).
  • A later reply questions the derivation of the eigenvalue \(1/4\) and whether the eigenfunction is always of the form \(f(x) = \text{x terms}\).
  • Some participants clarify that since the operator \(L\) maps any function to a multiple of \(x\), the eigenfunction must also be a multiple of \(x\).
  • There is a request for clarification on how to apply the Fredholm series to find eigenvalues or functions, indicating a gap in understanding regarding this method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the eigenfunction being related to \(x\) and the eigenvalue being \(\frac{1}{4}\). However, there is no consensus on the method of deriving these values or the applicability of the Fredholm series for this problem.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the operator and the assumptions made about the form of the eigenfunctions. The discussion does not resolve how to find eigenvalues or functions using the Fredholm series.

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Given
\[
f(x) = \lambda\int_0^1xy^2f(y)dy
\]
I am trying to determine the eigenvalues and eigenfunction. I know that the \(\frac{1}{\lambda}\) are the eigenvalues.
We can write \(f(x) = xA\) and \(A = \lambda\int_0^1y^2f(y)dy\).
\[
A\Bigg(1 - \lambda\int_0^1y^3dy\Bigg) = 0\quad (*)
\]
So is the eigenvalue only one value which would be what I get when I solve for 1 over lambda?
\[
\frac{1}{\lambda} = \frac{1}{4}
\]
Is \((*)\) the eigenfunction? If not, how do I find the eigenfunction?
 
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Re: eigenvalue (and function) of integral eq

dwsmith said:
Given
\[
f(x) = \lambda\int_0^1xy^2f(y)dy
\]
I am trying to determine the eigenvalues and eigenfunction. I know that the \(\frac{1}{\lambda}\) are the eigenvalues.
We can write \(f(x) = xA\) and \(A = \lambda\int_0^1y^2f(y)dy\).
\[
A\Bigg(1 - \lambda\int_0^1y^3dy\Bigg) = 0\quad (*)
\]
So is the eigenvalue only one value which would be what I get when I solve for 1 over lambda?
\[
\frac{1}{\lambda} = \frac{1}{4}
\]
Is \((*)\) the eigenfunction? If not, how do I find the eigenfunction?

I presume you want to find the eigen values and functions of the operator defined by: \(Lf(x) = \int_0^1 x y^2 f(y)\ dy\).

We observe that this is a linear operator over the space of functions it is defined on, as we require, and that we are looking for an eigen value \(\lambda\) and function \(f_{\lambda}(x)\) such that:

\[Lf_{\lambda}(x)=\lambda f_{\lambda}(x)\]

As \(L\) maps any function in its domain to a multiple of \(x\) and any multiple of an eigen function is also an eigen function we may as well take the eigen function to be \(f(x)=x\), then \(Lf(x)=\int_0^1 x y^2 f(y)\ dy=\frac{1}{4}x\).

Hence the eigen value of \(L\) is \(1/4\) and a corresponding eigen function is \(f_{1/4}(x)=x\).

.
 
Re: eigenvalue (and function) of integral eq

zzephod said:
I presume you want to find the eigen values and functions of the operator defined by: \(Lf(x) = \int_0^1 x y^2 f(y)\ dy\).

We observe that this is a linear operator over the space of functions it is defined on, as we require, and that we are looking for an eigen value \(\lambda\) and function \(f_{\lambda}(x)\) such that:

\[Lf_{\lambda}(x)=\lambda f_{\lambda}(x)\]

As \(L\) maps any function in its domain to a multiple of \(x\) and any multiple of an eigen function is also an eigen function we may as well take the eigen function to be \(f(x)=x\), then \(Lf(x)=\int_0^1 x y^2 f(y)\ dy=\frac{1}{4}x\).

Hence the eigen value of \(L\) is \(1/4\) and a corresponding eigen function is \(f_{1/4}(x)=x\).

.

From your working, how did you obtain the 1/4? Is the eigenfunction always \(f(x) = \text{x terms}\)?
 
Re: eigenvalue (and function) of integral eq

dwsmith said:
From your working, how did you obtain the 1/4? Is the eigenfunction always \(f(x) = \text{x terms}\)?

As the image of any function under \(L\) is a multiple of \(x\) the eigen function must be a multiple of \(x\) for this operator.

The \(1/4\) when \(f(x)=x\) comes from:

\[ x \int_0^1 y^2f(y)\ dx=x \int_0^1 y^3\ dx=x\ \left[ \frac{y^4}{4}\right]_0^1\]

.
 
Re: eigenvalue (and function) of integral eq

zzephod said:
As the image of any function under \(L\) is a multiple of \(x\) the eigen function must be a multiple of \(x\) for this operator.

The \(1/4\) when \(f(x)=x\) comes from:

\[ x \int_0^1 y^2f(y)\ dx=x \int_0^1 y^3\ dx=x\ \left[ \frac{y^4}{4}\right]_0^1\]

.

How would I do this problem using the Fredholm series? I know how to use the Fredholm series to solve an integrable equation but not how to find the eigenvalue(s) or function.
 

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